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''The Book of Keruynge'', printed in 1508 gives the following advice to marshals and ushers regarding precedence:
''The Book of Keruynge'', printed in 1508 gives the following advice to marshals and ushers regarding precedence:


The Marshall and ussher muste knowe all the estates of the chyrche and the hyghe estate of a kynge with the blode royall.
:The [[Marshall]] and ussher muste knowe all the estates of the [[church|chyrche]] and the hyghe estate of a [[king|kynge]] with the blode [[royal|royall]].


* The estate of the Pope hath no pere
:* The estate of the [[Pope]] hath no pere
* The estate of an Emperour is nexte
:* The estate of an [[emperor|Emperour]] is nexte
* The estate of a kynge
:* The estate of a [[king|kynge]]
* The estate of a cardynall
:* The estate of a [[cardinal|cardynall]]
* The estate of a kynges sone a prynce
:* The estate of a kynges sone a [[prince|prynce]]
* The estate of an archebysshop
:* The estate of an [[archbishop|archebysshop]]
* The estate of a duke
:* The estate of a [[duke]]
* The estate of a bysshop
:* The estate of a [[bishop|bysshop]]
* The estate of a Marques
:* The estate of a [[marquis|Marques]]
* The estate of an erle
:* The estate of an [[earl|erle]]
* The estate of a vycount
:* The estate of a [[viscount|vycount]]
* The estate of a baron
:* The estate of a [[baron]]
* The estate of an abbot with a myter
:* The estate of an [[abbot]] with a myter
* The estate of the chefe Judges and the mayre of London
:* The estate of the chefe Judges and the [[mayor|mayre]] of [[London]]
* The estate of an abbot without a myter
:* The estate of an abbot without a myter
* The estate of a knigh bacheler
:* The estate of a [[knight bachelor|knigh bacheler]]
* The estate of pryour dene archedeken or knyght
:* The estate of [[prior|pryour]] dene [[archdeacon|archedeken]] or [[knight|knyght]]
* The estate of the mayster of the rolles
:* The estate of the mayster of the rolles
* The estate of other Justyces & barons of the cheker
:* The estate of other Justyces & barons of the cheker
* The estate of the mayre of Calays
:* The estate of the mayre of [[Calais|Calays]]
* The estate of a provyncyall a doctour dyvyne
:* The estate of a provyncyall a doctour dyvyne
* The estate of a prothonathe is above the popes collectour and a doctour of bothe lawes
:* The estate of a prothonathe is above the popes collectour and a doctour of bothe lawes
* The estate of hym that hath ben mayre of London and servaunt of the lawe.
:* The estate of hym that hath ben mayre of London and servaunt of the lawe.
* The estate of a mayster of the chauncery and other worshypfull prechours of pardon and clerkes that ben gradewable, & all other ordres of chastyte persones and preestes worshypfull merchauntes & gentylmen all these may syt at the squyers table.
:* The estate of a mayster of the chauncery and other worshypfull prechours of pardon and clerkes that ben gradewable, & all other ordres of chastyte persones and preestes worshypfull merchauntes & gentylmen all these may syt at the [[squire|squyers]] table.


==SCA Order of Precedence==
==SCA Order of Precedence==
In the [[SCA]], the order of Precedence is a listing of all the people who have received [[award]]s, ordered from the highest ranking to the lowest. Ranking (or precedence) is determined by the highest level of award received, and the date an award of that level was first given to the recipient. The earlier a person received an award, the higher they appear on the order of precedence.
In the [[SCA]], the order of Precedence is a listing of all the people who have received [[award]]s, ordered from the highest ranking to the lowest. Ranking (or precedence) is determined by the highest level of award received, and the date an award of that level was first given to the recipient. The earlier a person received an award, the higher they appear on the order of precedence.


The ranking of awards in [[Lochac]], from highest to lowest, are:
Generally speaking, the SCA Order of Precedence is, from highest to lowest:


* [[Duke]] and [[Duchess]]
*[[King]] and [[Queen]] of the [[Kingdom]] in question
* [[Count]] and [[Countess]]
*[[King]]s and [[Queen]]s of other Kingdoms
*[[Prince]]s and [[Princess]]ess, usually local first, then foreign
⚫
* [[Viscount]] and [[Viscountess]]
* Other [[peer]]s
* [[Duke]]s and [[Duchess]]s
* [[Grant of Arms]]
* [[Count]]s and [[Countess]]es
⚫
* [[Viscount]]s and [[Viscountess]]es
* [[Court Barony|Court Baronies]]
* Bestowed [[peer|Peerage]]s
* [[Orders of Achievement]]
* [[Award of Arms]]
*In Kingdom [[Grant of Arms|Grant Bearing Awards]] (if any)
* [[Grant of Arms|Grants of Arms]]
*In Kingdom [[Award of Arms|AoA Bearing Awards]] (if any)
* [[Award of Arms|Awards of Arms]]
* non-armigerous awards
* non-armigerous awards


Note that if person A had received a [[laurel]] and a [[pelican]] in the last year, an person B had received a [[laurel]] three years ago, person B would be ranked higher, having reached peerage level first. The fact that someone has obtained a second award at a certain level does not add to their precedence.
Note that if person A had received a [[laurel]] and a [[pelican]] in the last year, an person B had received a [[laurel]] three years ago, person B would be ranked higher, having reached peerage level first. The fact that someone has obtained a second award at a certain level does not add to their precedence.


The sitting [[Royalty]] rank above all others on the Order of Precedence. Individual [[kingdom]]s may have additional ranks as well as slight variations with respect to [[Court Barony|Court Baronies]].
The sitting [[Royalty]] rank above all others on the Order of Precedence. Individual [[kingdom]]s may have additional rank gradations for [[Kingdom Level Award]]s and [[Baronial Level Award]]s. For example, [[An Tir]] has a permanent award, the Lion of An Tir, which ranks higher than a [[Duke]] or [[Duchess]] within An Tir. An Tir also includes Landed and formerly [[Landed Baron]]s and Baronesses on its order of precedence.


The placement of Territorial [[Baron]]s and Baronesses depends on the [[Kingdom]] and sometimes on location within a Kingdom. Often they rank below [[Royal Peer]]s (ie. after Viscounts), in other places they may be placed differently. In the [[East]] Territorial Barons rank just below current Royalty , as long as they are in their own lands. So a Baron "at home" is higher on the OP than a Duke. Otherwise, they fall just after bestowed Peers.
For example, [[An Tir]] has a permanent award, the Lion of An Tir, which ranks higher than a [[Duke]] or [[Duchess]] within An Tir. An Tir also includes Landed and formerly [[Landed Baron]]s and Baronesses on its order of precedence. Additionally [[Kingdom Officer]]s are sometimes given a place of precedence, although this practice was discontinued in An Tir in November of [[A.S. XXXVIII]].


There is also [[IKA|a wide variation]] as to the treatment of [[Court Barony|Court Baronies]]. For example, in the [[East]] it may be given with '''or''' without a [[Grant of Arms]], which can affect the placement of the recipient rather dramatically.

[[Great Officer|Kingdom Officer]]s are sometimes given a place of precedence.




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* [[Kingdom of East]] - http://jducoeur.org/Prec/
* [[Kingdom of East]] - http://jducoeur.org/Prec/
* [[Kingdom of Middle]] - http://www.midrealm.org/op/
* [[Kingdom of Middle]] - http://www.midrealm.org/op/
* [[Kingdom of Atenveldt]] - http://www.cowleyspace.org/atenop/opindex.aspx
* [[Kingdom of Atenveldt]] - http://www.atenveldt.org/Heraldry/OrderofPrecedence.aspx
* [[Kingdom of Meridies]]
* [[Kingdom of Meridies]] - http://creon.dominohosting.biz/creon/Torch.nsf
* [[Kingdom of Caid]] - http://www.sca-caid.org/herald/op.html
* [[Kingdom of Caid]] - http://www.sca-caid.org/herald/op.html
* [[Kingdom of Ansteorra]] - http://www.ansteorra.org/regnum/herald/OP/
* [[Kingdom of Ansteorra]] - http://www.ansteorra.org/regnum/herald/OP/
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* [[Kingdom of Artemisia]] - http://www.dogphilosophy.net/~art/op.html
* [[Kingdom of Artemisia]] - http://www.dogphilosophy.net/~art/op.html
* [[AEthelmearc|Kingdom of �Æthelmearc]] - http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~grm/aethelmearc-op.html
* [[AEthelmearc|Kingdom of �Æthelmearc]] - http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~grm/aethelmearc-op.html
* [[Kingdom of Ealdormere]] - http://www.ealdormere.sca.org/op.shtml
* [[Kingdom of Ealdormere]] - http://wolfium.com/search.php
* [[Kingdom of Lochac]] - http://www.sca.org.au/herald/php/OP.php
* [[Kingdom of Lochac]] - http://www.sca.org.au/canon/
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Latest revision as of 11:17, 2 June 2009

Historical Order of Precedence

The Book of Keruynge, printed in 1508 gives the following advice to marshals and ushers regarding precedence:

The Marshall and ussher muste knowe all the estates of the chyrche and the hyghe estate of a kynge with the blode royall.
  • The estate of the Pope hath no pere
  • The estate of an Emperour is nexte
  • The estate of a kynge
  • The estate of a cardynall
  • The estate of a kynges sone a prynce
  • The estate of an archebysshop
  • The estate of a duke
  • The estate of a bysshop
  • The estate of a Marques
  • The estate of an erle
  • The estate of a vycount
  • The estate of a baron
  • The estate of an abbot with a myter
  • The estate of the chefe Judges and the mayre of London
  • The estate of an abbot without a myter
  • The estate of a knigh bacheler
  • The estate of pryour dene archedeken or knyght
  • The estate of the mayster of the rolles
  • The estate of other Justyces & barons of the cheker
  • The estate of the mayre of Calays
  • The estate of a provyncyall a doctour dyvyne
  • The estate of a prothonathe is above the popes collectour and a doctour of bothe lawes
  • The estate of hym that hath ben mayre of London and servaunt of the lawe.
  • The estate of a mayster of the chauncery and other worshypfull prechours of pardon and clerkes that ben gradewable, & all other ordres of chastyte persones and preestes worshypfull merchauntes & gentylmen all these may syt at the squyers table.

SCA Order of Precedence

In the SCA, the order of Precedence is a listing of all the people who have received awards, ordered from the highest ranking to the lowest. Ranking (or precedence) is determined by the highest level of award received, and the date an award of that level was first given to the recipient. The earlier a person received an award, the higher they appear on the order of precedence.

Generally speaking, the SCA Order of Precedence is, from highest to lowest:

Note that if person A had received a laurel and a pelican in the last year, an person B had received a laurel three years ago, person B would be ranked higher, having reached peerage level first. The fact that someone has obtained a second award at a certain level does not add to their precedence.

The sitting Royalty rank above all others on the Order of Precedence. Individual kingdoms may have additional rank gradations for Kingdom Level Awards and Baronial Level Awards. For example, An Tir has a permanent award, the Lion of An Tir, which ranks higher than a Duke or Duchess within An Tir. An Tir also includes Landed and formerly Landed Barons and Baronesses on its order of precedence.

The placement of Territorial Barons and Baronesses depends on the Kingdom and sometimes on location within a Kingdom. Often they rank below Royal Peers (ie. after Viscounts), in other places they may be placed differently. In the East Territorial Barons rank just below current Royalty , as long as they are in their own lands. So a Baron "at home" is higher on the OP than a Duke. Otherwise, they fall just after bestowed Peers.

There is also a wide variation as to the treatment of Court Baronies. For example, in the East it may be given with or without a Grant of Arms, which can affect the placement of the recipient rather dramatically.

Kingdom Officers are sometimes given a place of precedence.


Kingdom Orders of Precedence

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