Template talk:Lochac Barony

There are two thing I'd like help with on this page:

1. I need a small image of a Baronial coronet to add into the bottom corners.
2. I'd like to make the borders of the box (internal and external) pink, to mimic the Lochac device, but I don't know enough to do it.

I modified the style tags to do what I think you're looking for. As far as coronets, you want photo or drawn image?--Thorgrimr of Dragonsspine 01:10, 3 Aug 2005 (CDT)

Thanks for the modifications, I was able to fiddle around a bit more and get something like what I wanted. You should be able to see a resemblance between the Lochac arms and the Barony table now. I'm not sure if the pale colours or the straight red and blue look better, but for the moment I have decided to be bold.

As for the coronet, a drawn coronet is what I was thinking of. If you could manage it on a blue background that would be great. Conrad Leviston 08:43, 3 Aug 2005 (CDT)

• Guys, my problem with some of these designs is their size due to the pictures. Can we shrink the size of the images on the pages, or shrink the actual images? Likewise for the device on the Lochac page. And Conrad, is a type of crown specified or traditional for Lochac, because lovely though your image is Thorhrimr, I noticed that you changed the look of the crown. - Cian Gillebhrath 01:50, 4 Aug 2005 (CDT)

• • Cian, am I correct in assuming that you meant this comment to go to the Template:SCA Kingdom box page? If so I agree that on a lower resolution monitor some of the devices are too large. The Lochac Barony Template works well for me in a range of resolutions. You can resize an image by adding a | after the image name and then specifying the number of pixels wide you want the image, e.g. 200px . The CoA blazon for the Lochac arms does not specify the type of crown, so any crown is a fair interpretation. I drew up the older device with that crown because that seemed to be the way most people did it, but you would have to ask an active Lochac herald.

• • • My personal opinion is that the image of the Lochac device should on this template should not be any larger (roughly) that the "Lochac Barony" text. As it is, the template is overwhelming the rest of the text on the page... cf. Barony_of_Politarchopolis. And likewise, on the Kingdom pages, the summary boxes are already so large that they swamp the text (cf. Kingdom of East). If the devices are large too, then this is just added to. The smallest seems to be that of Kingdom of the West. I like the size and simplicity of the Template:SCA Kingdom box. It doesn't need colour. It doesn't need pictures. It doesn't need anything but links. It is just to make the user's journey easier, not to try and sell them a car!
      And about the crown, I was just trying to make sure that the new pic of the Lochac device wasn't breaking any local protocol/tradition/heraldic norms. - Cian Gillebhrath 20:14, 4 Aug 2005 (CDT)
      • The reason that the Lochac Barony template dominates the Politarchopolis page is because that page is little more than a stub. I personally like the colours and images (which are after all relatively small) and think that they act as a quicker visual cue than the text. Conrad Leviston 23:01, 4 Aug 2005 (CDT)

• I'm sorry the crown isn't the same as before. I can go back to the drawing board, but it'll take some time, I've got some other heraldry requests locally ahead of it and they're for patches being sewn onto Sporrans (read paid work, lol). I'm glad that we can resize the image with the '|size' in the Image tag so that the gallery will still show the image at full size. I'll remember to add that as I update or add any graphics.--Thorgrimr of Dragonsspine 12:29, 4 Aug 2005 (CDT)
  • Thanks for the coronet image by the way. It is exactly what I had envisaged. Conrad Leviston 18:26, 4 Aug 2005 (CDT)

• Ok, not that I don't like this template idea, but why does it only include the baronies? When I'm hopping around artcles related to the localities in the known world I'd like a list of all that kingdom's localities in a similar template. For example, the "Lochac Barony" template becomes the "Lochac localities" template or whatever. It would include all the groups within that kingdom, making navigation a bit easier. Right now, if I want to see shires or colleges, I have to get to the kingdom article and click the links from their. To me it just seems less connected than the wiki could be. I'd also vote keeping it simple like the SCA Kingdom box at the bottom of pages, maybe adjusting the colors. Thoughts? --Thorgrimr of Dragonsspine 11:15, 6 Aug 2005 (CDT)
  • The reason I did not want to include all the groups is because of Kingdoms like Midrealm, which have a huge number of groups. I thought that just having the Baronies would keep the number of groups manageable. The other reason is that Baronies tend to be reasonably stable, whereas smaller groups come or go. By only mentioning Baronies the template upkeep is less arduous. Conrad Leviston 04:01, 8 Aug 2005 (CDT)