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Someone approaches you with a cloved lemon. You can do one of several things.
 
Someone approaches you with a cloved lemon. You can do one of several things.
# Remove a clove from the lemon orally & swallow it.
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# Take the cloved lemon.
# Remove a clove from the lemon orally & bite it, but not swallow.
 
# Remove a clove from the lemon orally & neither bite nor swallow it.
 
# Remove a clove from the lemon manually.
 
 
# Politely refuse the cloved lemon.
 
# Politely refuse the cloved lemon.
   
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If you choose ''option 1'', you take a [[clove]] out of the [[fruit]] with your teeth (or occasionally fingers - see local customs). The taste of the clove will be very strong, stronger if you bite on it (not reccomended to do accidentally), and may make your whole mouth go numb ;) The clove is supposed to freshen your breath. You (or possibly the lady) then indicate to the person who gave you the fruit where to kiss you (check local customs) - often the hand, cheek or lips, it depends on your comfort level with the person who gave it to you. You then find another victim - oops! person to pass it on to.
Option 1 indicates that you expect the giverto attempt to retrieve the clove (a more intimate kiss than some may be interested in). Option 2 generally indicates a rather friendly kiss on the mouth than option 3. Option 4 indicates a kiss on the hand may be expected. Option 5, perfectly within a gentle's rights, is an option that is respected (and often understandable). Unless you chose option 5, you then find another victim - oops! person to pass it on to. There is, of course, the other option - whenever you hear mention of a cloved lemon being passed around, to just avoid it like the [[Black Death|Plague]] and go outside for a [[cigarettes|cigarette]].
 
   
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If you choose ''option 2'', and there is NO shame at all in doing this. It is not impolite to refuse a cloved lemon, and your decision is respected (and often understandable). There is, of course, the other option - whenever you hear mention of a cloved lemon being passed around, to just avoid it like the [[Black Death|Plague]] and hide somewhere.
Also, note that [[custom]] may vary depending on where you are. Feel free to indicate verbally what level of intimacy you are comfortable with.
 
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Also, note that [[custom]] may vary depending on where you are (see section below). It can be quite important to find out what the local variants are, or you may find yourself embarrased with more attention than expected. Feel free to indicate verbally what level of intimacy you are comfortable with.
   
 
'''Why do we use cloved lemons?'''<br>
 
'''Why do we use cloved lemons?'''<br>
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'''How did this get made up?'''<BR>
 
'''How did this get made up?'''<BR>
 
There's plenty of [[mythology]] about this. There is no doubt that the cloved lemon was made up (in 1974, [http://www.florilegium.org/files/ENTERTAINMENT/cloved-fruit-msg.html some say]), but it strikes a resonance because it bears ''some'' simularity to a few period items and practises, just enough that people keep trying to search for the period origins of this practise.
 
There's plenty of [[mythology]] about this. There is no doubt that the cloved lemon was made up (in 1974, [http://www.florilegium.org/files/ENTERTAINMENT/cloved-fruit-msg.html some say]), but it strikes a resonance because it bears ''some'' simularity to a few period items and practises, just enough that people keep trying to search for the period origins of this practise.
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'''local customs within the SCA'''
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*In some areas of Lochac (noted in NSW colleges) significance is given to different varieties of cloved fruit. For example cloved grapes, cloved watermelons, cloved banannas. The various fruit are supposedly symoblic of different sexual acts (as the lemon is to kissing), although this is likely more for teasing value than a serious proposition.
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*There are two traditions about who gets to choose the location of a kiss - is it the lady of the pair, or the recipient of the lemon. The first is more chivalric towards ladylike ladies, but allows them to exploit vulnerable males. The second is more useful in our modern world where a lady is as likely to receive a lemon from annother lady as from a man, and appears to be the most commonly used. Enquire locally.
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*In one area (unknown) significance is given to the way the clove is removed from the lemon
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# Remove a clove from the lemon orally & swallow it.
 
# Remove a clove from the lemon orally & bite it, but not swallow.
 
# Remove a clove from the lemon orally & neither bite nor swallow it.
 
# Remove a clove from the lemon manually.
 
Option 1 indicates that you expect the giverto attempt to retrieve the clove (a more intimate kiss than some may be interested in). Option 2 generally indicates a rather friendly kiss on the mouth than option 3. Option 4 indicates a kiss on the hand may be expected.
   
 
Related practises:
 
Related practises:

Revision as of 16:12, 15 January 2006

Cloved lemons are often handed around at feasts or camping events. Love it or hate it, it's a tradition that is engrained in SCA culture. Here's what happens:

Someone approaches you with a cloved lemon. You can do one of several things.

  1. Take the cloved lemon.
  2. Politely refuse the cloved lemon.

If you choose option 1, you take a clove out of the fruit with your teeth (or occasionally fingers - see local customs). The taste of the clove will be very strong, stronger if you bite on it (not reccomended to do accidentally), and may make your whole mouth go numb ;) The clove is supposed to freshen your breath. You (or possibly the lady) then indicate to the person who gave you the fruit where to kiss you (check local customs) - often the hand, cheek or lips, it depends on your comfort level with the person who gave it to you. You then find another victim - oops! person to pass it on to.

If you choose option 2, and there is NO shame at all in doing this. It is not impolite to refuse a cloved lemon, and your decision is respected (and often understandable). There is, of course, the other option - whenever you hear mention of a cloved lemon being passed around, to just avoid it like the Plague and hide somewhere.

Also, note that custom may vary depending on where you are (see section below). It can be quite important to find out what the local variants are, or you may find yourself embarrased with more attention than expected. Feel free to indicate verbally what level of intimacy you are comfortable with.

Why do we use cloved lemons?
In period, you never wandered up to a stranger and introduced yourself. You were always introduced by a third party. This is a little too rigid for our modern society. Instead, we have taken the third party and made it a lemon.

How did this get made up?
There's plenty of mythology about this. There is no doubt that the cloved lemon was made up (in 1974, some say), but it strikes a resonance because it bears some simularity to a few period items and practises, just enough that people keep trying to search for the period origins of this practise.

local customs within the SCA

  • In some areas of Lochac (noted in NSW colleges) significance is given to different varieties of cloved fruit. For example cloved grapes, cloved watermelons, cloved banannas. The various fruit are supposedly symoblic of different sexual acts (as the lemon is to kissing), although this is likely more for teasing value than a serious proposition.
  • There are two traditions about who gets to choose the location of a kiss - is it the lady of the pair, or the recipient of the lemon. The first is more chivalric towards ladylike ladies, but allows them to exploit vulnerable males. The second is more useful in our modern world where a lady is as likely to receive a lemon from annother lady as from a man, and appears to be the most commonly used. Enquire locally.
  • In one area (unknown) significance is given to the way the clove is removed from the lemon
  1. Remove a clove from the lemon orally & swallow it.
  2. Remove a clove from the lemon orally & bite it, but not swallow.
  3. Remove a clove from the lemon orally & neither bite nor swallow it.
  4. Remove a clove from the lemon manually.

Option 1 indicates that you expect the giverto attempt to retrieve the clove (a more intimate kiss than some may be interested in). Option 2 generally indicates a rather friendly kiss on the mouth than option 3. Option 4 indicates a kiss on the hand may be expected.

Related practises:

  • Citrus may have been covered in spices to serve as a pomander
  • Citrus fruit were expensive gifts in the 12th to 14th century, as they were not native to Europe, rather luxuries brought back by Crusaders
  • Cloves may have been used to sweeten the breath in medieval times (proof needed)
  • Kissing games did occur in medieval times.