User talk:Anton
Hello Anton,
Please do not add "Anton notes:" to articles started by other users. Doing so suggests that the "notes" added are yours alone and can't be changed by other users (which goes against the wiki idea in the extreme). If you feel that what you write must be kept separate then put your comments on new pages (eg. Anton's views on Religion in the Renaissance, Anton's views on Popes, Anton's views on Universities, Anton's views on Italian wars, etc). Wiki articles are not ongoing discussions between users. The idea of a wiki is a set of community edited articles not a set of different users opinions stuck together. If you wish to discuss something in an article then please do so on the article's talk page.
I will begin to separate your opinions into new pages when I have time.
The wiki is not a soapbox.
Hey Anton,
If you don't think the core studies of the Humanists caused people to question papal authority then provide some concrete examples. Sure, Wyclif and his crew did so too, but then so did many others, and many of those were Humanists. I'll give you the point about Italy. Not sure I agree with you about John of Paris (again, provide reasons) or the Imperialist/Papacy thing -- why did the emperors remain Catholic?
Calvin may not have been a champion of free thought, but neither was John XXXIII if you're going to raise the subject of burning at the stake. Check your foot, I think you just shot it.
Perhaps we need pages on "the reformation from a papist point of view" and "the reformation from a humanist/calvinist/lutheran point of view". You can't just go on quoting Thomas More like he wrote the book on it.
Hey Tobin,
The reformation was a soapbox. As was the renaissance, to a certain extent. Although I'll give you the one about the talk pages. Anton's a scholastic, I'm a humanist. Deal with it.
(Actually, I'm a Jew, so this whole thing is really meta- to me, but I'm coping).
While we're at it, Anton.
When did the reformation start?
Wrong answer: 1517.
Another wrong answer: immediately after the renaissance ended.
Correct answer: about 1347. The same time as the renaissance started. If the Decameron wasn't a reformist document, then I don't know what is.
That's it from me for tonight, I'm going to bed.
Oh, and Tobin, keep up the good work but I think you still have to deal with the academics.
Del 00:25, 11 Nov 2003 (EST)
