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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/ 广州瑜珈培训] |
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==Cunnan Focus?== |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/ 广州瑜珈] |
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Is this a medieval reenactment wiki or an SCA wiki? The whole thing looks like it has been set up presuming that the SCA way of doing things is the only way it is done. |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/ 瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/ 瑜珈培训] |
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So which is the truth? Is it a badly-designed medieval reenactment wiki or is it a SCA wiki that misrepresents itself as a medieval reenactment wiki? |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/ 专业瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/01_intro.htm 广州瑜珈培训] |
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: It's a medieval reenactment wiki, plain and simple, but wikis always reflect the people who contribute to them. Currently, the only contributors (as far as I know) are people from the SCA, so the design, content, the main page, and opinions are all SCA oriented. We write what we know. If you'd like to add non-SCA content, please go right ahead. [[User:Morgant|Morgant]] 11:36, 15 Aug 2003 (EST) |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/01_intro.htm 广州瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/01_intro.htm 瑜珈] |
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:Well, it was, way back when we started, a medieval reenactment wiki, and it still is but (almost?) everyone who contributes is in the [[SCA]]. I'd be willing to change the explanation on the front page if people think its misleading. - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] 12:23, 15 Aug 2003 (EST) |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/01_intro.htm 瑜珈培训] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/01_intro.htm 专业瑜珈] |
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==Arts & Sciences== |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/02_news.htm 广州瑜珈培训] |
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Okie dokie, re the crafts/sciences. What would you have things such as [[astronomy]] under? It could be argued that there are no arts in the SCA only crafts (or the emulation of period art, at any rate). I'll agree that no ''true'' science in done in the SCA but there are certainly people who apply themselves to the study of period sciences. |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/02_news.htm 广州瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/02_news.htm 瑜珈] |
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Feel free to tell me I'm wrong (is this the first wiki argument? ;-) - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] 14:10 6 Aug 2003 (EST) |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/02_news.htm 瑜珈培训] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/02_news.htm 专业瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/03_photo.htm 专业瑜珈] |
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:- Tobin: *I* feel that there's a number of people who do the 'crafts' of olde, and VERY few who actually do [[astronomy]] - and then they aren't doing the science of it, mearly recreating the 'elements' that were developed. |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/03_photo.htm 瑜珈培训] |
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:Why not leave it as craft and see how many people actually object ? never hurt to irritate anyone :) |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/03_photo.htm 瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/03_photo.htm 广州瑜珈] |
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::Point taken but there are people that do astronomy and I dont think it should be thought of as a craft. - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/03_photo.htm 广州瑜珈培训] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/04_product.htm 广州瑜珈培训] |
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:::When more than 3 people use test tubes and actually reinvent the wheel, rather than just follow someonelses work - sold. till then No Dice. The SCA does Crafts. |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/04_product.htm 广州瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/04_product.htm 瑜珈] |
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:::Follow someone else's work vs. reinventing the wheel? I think it's important to distinguish between science and scientific discoveries. Nobody's claiming to be making scientific discoveries - these have already been made. Think about it like Crafts - nobody's inventing new ways of doing things - we're trying to recreate what was done before. We're investigating science as it was done during the middle ages. I enjoy researching medieval cryptography - it doesn't mean that I have to invent new methods of frequency analysis. Also, and more importantly, Arts, Crafts & Sciences is a pain to say. [[User:Morgant|Morgant]] 11:22 11 Aug 2003 (EST) |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/04_product.htm 瑜珈培训] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/04_product.htm 专业瑜珈] |
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==Arts & Sciences (again)== |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/05_cultivate.htm 专业瑜珈] |
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A google search reveals something in the region of 1,500 results for "sca "arts and crafts"" but more than 7,500 results for "sca "arts and sciences"". I've never met an A & C officer and doubt I ever will (even if that is a more accurate term. Shoule we start calling all [[constable]]s "order enforcing people" just because some people think "constable" suggests that they are part of the police force?) |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/05_cultivate.htm 瑜珈培训] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/05_cultivate.htm 瑜珈] |
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The point I'm trying to make is that, regardless of accuracy, people say A & S not A & C (if you were searching for A & S stuff on the web which would be seaching for?) If the SCA '''is''' a game then it really doesn't matter but there is no point in being non-standard. - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] 21:29, 25 Aug 2003 (EST) |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/05_cultivate.htm 广州瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/05_cultivate.htm 广州瑜珈培训] |
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[[User:Newt|Newt]]: Well let's start a trend, Tobin! We can slowly change the SCA to ''our'' way of thinking. Hmm.. I see what you're saying but I think with regards to the wiki we're just looking for ways of grouping topics nicely. There's nothing much to put under 'sciences', but you can very easily split up our 'arts' (which is currently damn huge) into 'arts' and 'crafts'. Re: knowne worlde handbooke... Sui does have a point! |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/06_feedback.htm 广州瑜珈培训] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/06_feedback.htm 广州瑜珈] |
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:That sounds exactly like something sui would say ;-) It doesn't worry me if we add in a Crafts topic but taking out the sciences link (or going through that whole pointless "Crafts ("sciences")" thing again would be a bad thing, IMO. Split up the Arts link if you want and then add Crafts to the main page. - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] 10:23, 27 Aug 2003 (EST) |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/06_feedback.htm 瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/06_feedback.htm 瑜珈培训] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/06_feedback.htm 专业瑜珈] |
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==Arts and Sciences (yet again)== |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/07_joinin.htm 专业瑜珈] |
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I can see we're about to have this argument again. Reading what was said in the previous arguments, I'll not change it back right now but, the fact remains people say A & S not A & C ("correctness" doesn't enter into it, this is an SCA wiki and in the SCA people say A & S) - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] 14:00, 26 Sep 2003 (EST) |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/07_joinin.htm 瑜珈培训] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/07_joinin.htm 瑜珈] |
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:yes.. and americans are ALWAYS right about everything.. *sigh* glad to see that u can atleast accept change though Tobin. Now can the hard link from craft -> science, be removed? they are different! - Ben |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/07_joinin.htm 广州瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/07_joinin.htm 广州瑜珈培训] |
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::The link isn't hard, any logged in user remove it. The link goes from Crafts to [[Sciences]] not [[science]]. Also using Arts and crafts on the main page means that anyone searching google for Arts and Sciences (which would be most going on the number of hits google returns) wont find Cunnan |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/08_contact.htm 广州瑜珈培训] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/08_contact.htm 广州瑜珈] |
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::I intend to change the link back from Crafts to sciences. - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/08_contact.htm 瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/08_contact.htm 瑜珈培训] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/08_contact.htm 专业瑜珈] |
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=="BE bold"== |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/ 瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/ 瑜珈培训] |
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I think this statement should be removed from the front page. Anytime i have been bold or attempted anything slightly .. erm.. off beat.. it has been quickly slapped down, and yes i am going to single Morgant out here. Either have the policy that this is to be dry and humorless and a totally informational database only or allow it to be more 'open' - of course, and this is an amazing idea - u could have BOTH!! |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/01_intro.htm 瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/01_intro.htm 瑜珈培训] |
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So the choice - I believe - is everyone, how do u want your WIKI to be? |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/02_ds_intro.htm 瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/02_ds_intro.htm 瑜珈 培训] |
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as u can guess i'd like it to be more 'interesting' |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/03_course.htm 瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/03_course.htm 瑜] |
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:We want people to be bold as in adding content not as in making changes that run against the majority. I Agree SCA science isn't real science but the majority of the SCA still call it science (this is an SCA wiki). |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/04_cultivate.htm 瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/04_cultivate.htm 瑜珈培训] |
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:I never said that the wiki was supposed to be a place or mirth and merryment. In fact the whole thing started so I would have a place to put what I know about the SCA. The software is free the content is open. You're welcome to start your own wiki. - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/05_story.htm 瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/05_story.htm 瑜珈培训] |
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::In fact I wasn't even discussing the science thing.. It was more a general 'thing'. but point taken. If i wanna add content 'dry and humorless it is' - Ben |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/06_organ.htm 瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/06_organ.htm 瑜珈培训] |
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*Given that I'm singled out, I guess I should probably reply. I don't think I've ever slapped anyone down - I have, however, edited some pretty weird stuff. I'd like Cunnan to be useful, with a polished, edited look. Articles should be useful before they're funny - if you can do both, that's great, if you can't, don't. [[User:Morgant|Morgant]] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/07_communion.htm 瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/07_communion.htm 瑜珈培训] |
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== Styles of articles == |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/08_certificate.htm 瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/08_certificate.htm 瑜珈培训] |
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With the above responses, how about we agree to dissgree? |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/09_contact.htm 瑜珈] |
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Morgant wants polished articles, dry and informational, whilst I want interesting and informational articles. |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/09_contact.htm 瑜珈培训][http://www.isoway-yoga.com/ 广州瑜珈培训] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/ 广州瑜珈] |
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Can we compromise, and do both, and aside from grammer [without changing the whole article] or spelling [which morgant does a great job of tidying up] how's about we leave the other articles alone? |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/ 瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/ 瑜珈培训] |
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there IS a certain amount of 'ownership' in having authored something, and if you wish to ADD to an article then go for it, but leave the orginal artical in place? this being a wiki, and us having a 'gentlemans agreement' about such things sound make for much better content and enjoyment all round - and redduce the .. erm.. 'bickering' ? - Ben |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/ 专业瑜珈] |
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*Here's how I feel about this - if everybody restricted themselves to their own articles, this wouldn't be a wiki. If an article is inaccurate, inappropriate, or otherwise lacking, it should be edited. Not doing so would make for worse, not better content. [[User:Morgant|Morgant]] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/01_intro.htm 广州瑜珈培训] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/01_intro.htm 广州瑜珈] |
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:::Then unlock the page(s) you have locked, and accept my editing in return. _ Ben |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/01_intro.htm 瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/01_intro.htm 瑜珈培训] |
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::::There is a single protected page on the wiki, the Main Page. I protected it because the consensus is, or appears to me and the other admins I've spoken to, that Sciences, regardless of accuracy, is the term used in the SCA. You're welcome to edit what you like but page protection and database locks are used from time to time when someone insists upon making a change that runs contary to consensus (corretion of common misconceptions does not come under this) - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/01_intro.htm 专业瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/02_news.htm 广州瑜珈培训] |
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::::: " [[User:Morgant|Morgant]] " - Ben |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/02_news.htm 广州瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/02_news.htm 瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/02_news.htm 瑜珈培训] |
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== front page counter == |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/02_news.htm 专业瑜珈] |
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Is it working? i have been doing 15-20 articles a day and yesterday it went up 1... |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/03_photo.htm 专业瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/03_photo.htm 瑜珈培训] |
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you might wanna check it |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/03_photo.htm 瑜珈] |
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- Ben |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/03_photo.htm 广州瑜珈] |
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:Last time I looked into it, the MediaWiki page count tag only counts articles of a significant size. (D'you know what it is, Tobin?) I'm guessing that Ben's 15-20 articles are predominantly short dictionary-style entries (which Cunnan should avoid, really), and they're not counting towards the total. Once they're expanded, they'll be included in the total. [[User:Morgant|Morgant]] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/03_photo.htm 广州瑜珈培训] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/04_product.htm 广州瑜珈培训] |
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:The articles need to be of some length (one line jokes and short dictionary style stuff wont be counted). They also need to contain at least one link. I'll have to check what the minimum length is. Also, if you're not logged in you might be served a cached copy of the page. I'll be moving this conversation to the village pump when I have time. - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/04_product.htm 广州瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/04_product.htm 瑜珈] |
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Hey guys I am new here and i just need a little information. How would u say Whats in style in the renaissance language? It would be greatly appricitated if you oculd get back to me SOON! |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/04_product.htm 瑜珈培训] |
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Thanks Anonymous |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/04_product.htm 专业瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/05_cultivate.htm 专业瑜珈] |
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==Dictionary-style entries== |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/05_cultivate.htm 瑜珈培训] |
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Out of curiosity, why should dictionary-style entries be avoided? What if you can concisely explain something in 25 words or less (and include a link in it! e.g. [[acro-narcotic]])? The way I see a wiki to be, it's like a cross between a dictionary and an encyclopedia anyway: it's a quick and efficient way of obtaining information. And so, if I enounter a technical word in an article I want to be able to click on it and get a _brief_ explanation first.. and if people want to later they can add 10 pages of history and detailed description to it, and that's cool. Short, dictionary-style entries are a good building block to more complex, detailed entries. Feel free to convince me otherwise. - [[User:Newt|Newt]] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/05_cultivate.htm 瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/05_cultivate.htm 广州瑜珈] |
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:I say they are often useful, however they are more a definition, than an article - they contain little information. If I looked up acro-narcotic and found a definition i might be happy, and I might not care if the article only had a definiition, and no examples. But if I looked up lemon and got only "a yellow fruit of the citrus family" I'd wonder why I bothered linking to it. And as a really useful wiki, i'd say It's the longer articles that define it. Just personal opinion - ie that I'd only count longer articles in the article count, but I'm happy with the short articles as definitions of tricky words or starting inspiration points for articles. [[User:Tiff|Tiff]] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/05_cultivate.htm 广州瑜珈培训] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/06_feedback.htm 广州瑜珈培训] |
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:Whee! That got away quickly. By "short dictionary-style entries" I meant articles that consist of a definition with no re-enactment content or application, especially stuff lifted straight out of online dictionaries. I do think that making a stub article for further expansion, or defining technical or [http://www.sca.org.au/cunnan/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=Middle_English medieval] words <b>are</b> good things - defining what a duck is, not so much. There are other wikis to do that. [[User:Morgant|Morgant]] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/06_feedback.htm 广州瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/06_feedback.htm 瑜珈] |
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:: There are other website devoted to Medjeeval all round. hasn't stopped u guys. Morgant i defined 'duck' because i was working from the most wanted articles list. I have reduced that list considerably. if some of them are basic entries deal. (as for lifting them, i haven't done that in a while - and if i do, i change it)- Ben |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/06_feedback.htm 瑜珈培训] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/06_feedback.htm 专业瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/07_joinin.htm 专业瑜珈] |
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::: Hm, while I have no idea how old this conversation is, I'll put in my 2c anyway... I actually find the idea of removing pages from the "most wanted" list (by creating short dictionary entries) a Bad thing (tm) - because that way you no longer have a list of pages that need real articles (the point of said wanted list). I think the page should be used by people wondering what is missing in the wiki and that they are able to answer with some medieval information. |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/07_joinin.htm 瑜珈培训] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/07_joinin.htm 瑜珈] |
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:::I do agree that giving a definition of medieval words is very useful - and a good starting place for articles, but don't do it just so the list is shorter... IMHO that list provides much useful inspiration for article-writing. :( - Taryn |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/07_joinin.htm 广州瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/07_joinin.htm 广州瑜珈培训] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/08_contact.htm 广州瑜珈培训] |
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==Changes to the Main Page== |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/08_contact.htm 广州瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/08_contact.htm 瑜珈] |
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Given that I can't change the main page, I guess I shouldput in a request here. Could somebody put in Royal Peers under peers. Also, I know they're special, but Knights should really appear under there too. |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/08_contact.htm 瑜珈培训] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/08_contact.htm 专业瑜珈] |
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And to stick my oar into a dead conversation (how's that for a mixed metaphor), the medieval definition of science is different from the modern one. For instance music was considered a science. From a medieval standpoint arts and sciences is completely appropriate for what we do. |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/ 瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/ 瑜珈培训] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/01_intro.htm 瑜珈] |
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==tiff's suggestions== |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/01_intro.htm 瑜珈培训] |
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my sugestion, feel free to revert it. Not happy with the spacing though - either too big (and more than one page width, or one line too small because the paragraph end spacing is two lines when it needs one. |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/02_ds_intro.htm 瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/02_ds_intro.htm 瑜珈 培训] |
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put a font colour reference in, that probably needs to be deleted since I can't get it to do anything other than black. |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/03_course.htm 瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/03_course.htm 瑜] |
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* How about using boxes in a table format? |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/04_cultivate.htm 瑜珈] |
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<Center><Table cols="3" border="1" bgcolor="#bbbbbb" halign="center" valign="center"> |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/04_cultivate.htm 瑜珈培训] |
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<tr><td width="70%"><font color="#1155ee"> New to wikis? [[wiki_newcomers_hints|Read here]] for handy starting hints and rules.</font></td></tr></table></center> |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/05_story.htm 瑜珈] |
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:This should help it standout for Wiki novices. You could even change the background colour, like I have. Also got text colour working during my editting. - [[User:Cian|Cian Gillebhrath]] 12:34, 23 Aug 2004 (EST) |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/05_story.htm 瑜珈培训] |
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* I think this is a good idea provided the box is similar format to the ones already on the main page (the different position and a new colour should make it stand out). The link should proably be something like "[[wiki_newcomers_hints|New to wikis? Read the handy starting hints and rules]].". "click here" links look somewhat unprofessional / unfriendly. - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] 14:07, 23 Aug 2004 (EST) |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/06_organ.htm 瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/06_organ.htm 瑜珈培训] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/07_communion.htm 瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/07_communion.htm 瑜珈培训] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/08_certificate.htm 瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/08_certificate.htm 瑜珈培训] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/09_contact.htm 瑜珈] |
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[http://www.isoway-yoga.com/lsoway/09_contact.htm 瑜珈培训] |
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