Talk:Pelican - Revision history

65.99.199.142 at 09:05, 11 April 2007

2007-04-11T09:05:34Z

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	Well this also depends on what the aim of Cunnan is. Is it a Wiki on medieval stuff that is trying to stop being SCAcentric and Lochaccentric? Or is it an SCA Wiki that also includes historical information? I thought it was trying for the first. - [[User:Cian\|Cian Gillebhrath]] 15:46, 2 Jul 2004 (EST)		Well this also depends on what the aim of Cunnan is. Is it a Wiki on medieval stuff that is trying to stop being SCAcentric and Lochaccentric? Or is it an SCA Wiki that also includes historical information? I thought it was trying for the first. - [[User:Cian\|Cian Gillebhrath]] 15:46, 2 Jul 2004 (EST)

	:This is starting to look like something that should be on [[Cunnan:Village Pump]]. My current view on the ~~r�le~~ of wiki is that it should try being the latter, without being Lochacentric. Cunnan is never going to compete with wikipedia in terms of "Battles and Kings" history. For an idea take a look at the [[Albigensian Crusade]] page I pasted from wikipedia, and look at all the red links. Anyone interested in history and not recreation is better of going to wikipedia. For people interested in recreation it is a different story.		:This is starting to look like something that should be on [[Cunnan:Village Pump]]. My current view on the r�le of wiki is that it should try being the latter, without being Lochacentric. Cunnan is never going to compete with wikipedia in terms of "Battles and Kings" history. For an idea take a look at the [[Albigensian Crusade]] page I pasted from wikipedia, and look at all the red links. Anyone interested in history and not recreation is better of going to wikipedia. For people interested in recreation it is a different story.
	:We've hardly scratched the surface with [[heraldry]], but we're doing better than wikipedia already. All the braiding and embroidery stuff Tiff and Jane of Stockton have done I doubt can be found on wikipedia and there are also Tobin's recipes. I think having an SCA focus is to recognise the strengths of the people who are here now, and the structure of what's already been done. To try and turn this into a non-SCAcentric site is going to take a lot of effort just editing back what is already here, including the pages on Kings, Queens, Kingdoms etc., not to mention the Pelican page and almost everything that links to those pages.		:We've hardly scratched the surface with [[heraldry]], but we're doing better than wikipedia already. All the braiding and embroidery stuff Tiff and Jane of Stockton have done I doubt can be found on wikipedia and there are also Tobin's recipes. I think having an SCA focus is to recognise the strengths of the people who are here now, and the structure of what's already been done. To try and turn this into a non-SCAcentric site is going to take a lot of effort just editing back what is already here, including the pages on Kings, Queens, Kingdoms etc., not to mention the Pelican page and almost everything that links to those pages.
	:Well, that's what I think, but it's not my wiki, and Tobin says that the wiki is really whatever the people working on it turn it into, so he doesn't consider it entirely his either. However, so that we're not working at cross purposes what does everybody else want it to be. I personally am more interested in seeing Cunnan being consistent than being SCAcentric. What do others think? Should we move this to [[Cunnan:Village Pump]]? [[User:Conrad Leviston\|Conrad Leviston]] 20:55, 2 Jul 2004 (EST)		:Well, that's what I think, but it's not my wiki, and Tobin says that the wiki is really whatever the people working on it turn it into, so he doesn't consider it entirely his either. However, so that we're not working at cross purposes what does everybody else want it to be. I personally am more interested in seeing Cunnan being consistent than being SCAcentric. What do others think? Should we move this to [[Cunnan:Village Pump]]? [[User:Conrad Leviston\|Conrad Leviston]] 20:55, 2 Jul 2004 (EST)

Maco at 23:14, 5 July 2004

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	And I do agree that we don't need screeds after screeds of information on a topic on a single page. Leave that to the references. I believe that Cunnan needs only give basic or interesting information on a topic or aspects of a topic. It need not be a textbook. - [[User:Cian\|Cian Gillebhrath]] 23:29, 5 Jul 2004 (EST)		And I do agree that we don't need screeds after screeds of information on a topic on a single page. Leave that to the references. I believe that Cunnan needs only give basic or interesting information on a topic or aspects of a topic. It need not be a textbook. - [[User:Cian\|Cian Gillebhrath]] 23:29, 5 Jul 2004 (EST)

			Since it is rather Lochaccentric, perhaps the people from other kingdoms could put in references to how things are in their kingdoms. Perhaps one kingdom allows very thin circlets for peers, but another restricts it to the nobility and another to royals only. Those sorts of things should be noted from kingdom to kingdom. [[User:Maco\|Maco]] 09:14, 6 Jul 2004 (EST)

Cian: Cunnan for Cian

2004-07-05T13:29:30Z

Cunnan for Cian

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	:We've hardly scratched the surface with [[heraldry]], but we're doing better than wikipedia already. All the braiding and embroidery stuff Tiff and Jane of Stockton have done I doubt can be found on wikipedia and there are also Tobin's recipes. I think having an SCA focus is to recognise the strengths of the people who are here now, and the structure of what's already been done. To try and turn this into a non-SCAcentric site is going to take a lot of effort just editing back what is already here, including the pages on Kings, Queens, Kingdoms etc., not to mention the Pelican page and almost everything that links to those pages.		:We've hardly scratched the surface with [[heraldry]], but we're doing better than wikipedia already. All the braiding and embroidery stuff Tiff and Jane of Stockton have done I doubt can be found on wikipedia and there are also Tobin's recipes. I think having an SCA focus is to recognise the strengths of the people who are here now, and the structure of what's already been done. To try and turn this into a non-SCAcentric site is going to take a lot of effort just editing back what is already here, including the pages on Kings, Queens, Kingdoms etc., not to mention the Pelican page and almost everything that links to those pages.
	:Well, that's what I think, but it's not my wiki, and Tobin says that the wiki is really whatever the people working on it turn it into, so he doesn't consider it entirely his either. However, so that we're not working at cross purposes what does everybody else want it to be. I personally am more interested in seeing Cunnan being consistent than being SCAcentric. What do others think? Should we move this to [[Cunnan:Village Pump]]? [[User:Conrad Leviston\|Conrad Leviston]] 20:55, 2 Jul 2004 (EST)		:Well, that's what I think, but it's not my wiki, and Tobin says that the wiki is really whatever the people working on it turn it into, so he doesn't consider it entirely his either. However, so that we're not working at cross purposes what does everybody else want it to be. I personally am more interested in seeing Cunnan being consistent than being SCAcentric. What do others think? Should we move this to [[Cunnan:Village Pump]]? [[User:Conrad Leviston\|Conrad Leviston]] 20:55, 2 Jul 2004 (EST)

			By all means move this to the [[Cunnan:Village Pump]]. From my observance of the pages here, their design and their content, I like to agree with what is on the [[Main Page]]. I think of [[Cunnan]] as a resource for those interested in the medieval period, with a particular bent and extra information that is specific to the [[SCA]] but more stuff could be added that is specific to the [[NVG]] etc. For this reason, when I design/edit pages I like to only include information that is relevant to the [[period]] and [[Europe]] in period. I also like to be able to add content that helps explain the SCA and its terms, history and the way we play the game. But the medieval stuff gets top priority for me, so if there is an SCA aspect to the page, I like to include it as a subsection, not as the first thing you encounter on the page. For instance, the [[falconry]] page I wrote had medieval stuff first, then how modern falconry and the SCA can (or can't) interact. This is what I believe is the best design structure for Cunnan. Of course, not everyone is going to agree with me, or follow the same structure. Such is the way of Wiki pages. [shrugs] I can handle that.

			And I do agree that we don't need screeds after screeds of information on a topic on a single page. Leave that to the references. I believe that Cunnan needs only give basic or interesting information on a topic or aspects of a topic. It need not be a textbook. - [[User:Cian\|Cian Gillebhrath]] 23:29, 5 Jul 2004 (EST)

Conrad Leviston: rambleous ramblings

2004-07-02T10:55:57Z

rambleous ramblings

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	:This is starting to look like something that should be on [[Cunnan:Village Pump]]. My current view on the r�le of wiki is that it should try being the latter, without being Lochacentric. Cunnan is never going to compete with wikipedia in terms of "Battles and Kings" history. For an idea take a look at the [[Albigensian Crusade]] page I pasted from wikipedia, and look at all the red links. Anyone interested in history and not recreation is better of going to wikipedia. For people interested in recreation it is a different story.		:This is starting to look like something that should be on [[Cunnan:Village Pump]]. My current view on the r�le of wiki is that it should try being the latter, without being Lochacentric. Cunnan is never going to compete with wikipedia in terms of "Battles and Kings" history. For an idea take a look at the [[Albigensian Crusade]] page I pasted from wikipedia, and look at all the red links. Anyone interested in history and not recreation is better of going to wikipedia. For people interested in recreation it is a different story.
	:We've hardly scratched the surface with [[heraldry]], but we're doing better than wikipedia already. All the braiding and embroidery stuff Tiff and Jane of Stockton have done I doubt can be found on wikipedia and there are also Tobin's recipes. I think having an SCA focus is to recognise the strengths of the people who are here now, and the structure of what's already been done. To try and turn this into a non-SCAcentric site is going to take a lot of effort just editing back what is already here, including the pages on Kings, Queens, Kingdoms etc., not to mention the Pelican page and almost everything that links to those pages.		:We've hardly scratched the surface with [[heraldry]], but we're doing better than wikipedia already. All the braiding and embroidery stuff Tiff and Jane of Stockton have done I doubt can be found on wikipedia and there are also Tobin's recipes. I think having an SCA focus is to recognise the strengths of the people who are here now, and the structure of what's already been done. To try and turn this into a non-SCAcentric site is going to take a lot of effort just editing back what is already here, including the pages on Kings, Queens, Kingdoms etc., not to mention the Pelican page and almost everything that links to those pages.
	:Well, that's what I think, but it's not my wiki, and Tobin says that the wiki is really whatever the people working on it turn it into, so he doesn't consider it entirely his either. However, so that we're not working at cross purposes what does everybody else want it to be. I personally am more interested in seeing Cunnan being consistent than being SCAcentric. What do others think? Should we move this to [[Cunnan:Village Pump]]?		:Well, that's what I think, but it's not my wiki, and Tobin says that the wiki is really whatever the people working on it turn it into, so he doesn't consider it entirely his either. However, so that we're not working at cross purposes what does everybody else want it to be. I personally am more interested in seeing Cunnan being consistent than being SCAcentric. What do others think? Should we move this to [[Cunnan:Village Pump]]? [[User:Conrad Leviston\|Conrad Leviston]] 20:55, 2 Jul 2004 (EST)

Conrad Leviston: rambleous ramblings

2004-07-02T10:55:41Z

rambleous ramblings

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	Well this also depends on what the aim of Cunnan is. Is it a Wiki on medieval stuff that is trying to stop being SCAcentric and Lochaccentric? Or is it an SCA Wiki that also includes historical information? I thought it was trying for the first. - [[User:Cian\|Cian Gillebhrath]] 15:46, 2 Jul 2004 (EST)		Well this also depends on what the aim of Cunnan is. Is it a Wiki on medieval stuff that is trying to stop being SCAcentric and Lochaccentric? Or is it an SCA Wiki that also includes historical information? I thought it was trying for the first. - [[User:Cian\|Cian Gillebhrath]] 15:46, 2 Jul 2004 (EST)

			:This is starting to look like something that should be on [[Cunnan:Village Pump]]. My current view on the r�le of wiki is that it should try being the latter, without being Lochacentric. Cunnan is never going to compete with wikipedia in terms of "Battles and Kings" history. For an idea take a look at the [[Albigensian Crusade]] page I pasted from wikipedia, and look at all the red links. Anyone interested in history and not recreation is better of going to wikipedia. For people interested in recreation it is a different story.
			:We've hardly scratched the surface with [[heraldry]], but we're doing better than wikipedia already. All the braiding and embroidery stuff Tiff and Jane of Stockton have done I doubt can be found on wikipedia and there are also Tobin's recipes. I think having an SCA focus is to recognise the strengths of the people who are here now, and the structure of what's already been done. To try and turn this into a non-SCAcentric site is going to take a lot of effort just editing back what is already here, including the pages on Kings, Queens, Kingdoms etc., not to mention the Pelican page and almost everything that links to those pages.
			:Well, that's what I think, but it's not my wiki, and Tobin says that the wiki is really whatever the people working on it turn it into, so he doesn't consider it entirely his either. However, so that we're not working at cross purposes what does everybody else want it to be. I personally am more interested in seeing Cunnan being consistent than being SCAcentric. What do others think? Should we move this to [[Cunnan:Village Pump]]?

Cian at 05:46, 2 July 2004

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	[[User:Conrad Leviston\|Conrad Leviston]] 13:33, 2 Jul 2004 (EST)		[[User:Conrad Leviston\|Conrad Leviston]] 13:33, 2 Jul 2004 (EST)

			Well this also depends on what the aim of Cunnan is. Is it a Wiki on medieval stuff that is trying to stop being SCAcentric and Lochaccentric? Or is it an SCA Wiki that also includes historical information? I thought it was trying for the first. - [[User:Cian\|Cian Gillebhrath]] 15:46, 2 Jul 2004 (EST)

Conrad Leviston at 03:33, 2 July 2004

2004-07-02T03:33:00Z

New page

Cian, I'm not sure that setting this page up as a disambiguation page was necessarily a good idea. Most (all?) of the pages that link here are referring to the Order of the Pelican, and having to go through a disambiguation page to get to the intended page is undesirable.

Possible fixes:

* Go to every page that links to the page [[Pelican]] and change the link to [[Order of the Pelican]]
* Revert to the previous status and create a page called [[Pelican (bird)]]
* Leave things as they are and let users click through the exrta page.
* Something else

[[User:Conrad Leviston|Conrad Leviston]] 13:33, 2 Jul 2004 (EST)