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		<title>AlexandreDavigne: /* &quot;Although banned by the Laurel Sovereign of Arms&quot; */</title>
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		<updated>2009-02-26T12:49:12Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span dir=&quot;auto&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;&amp;quot;Although banned by the Laurel Sovereign of Arms&amp;quot;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 22:49, 26 February 2009&lt;/td&gt;
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  &lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:Indeed, on the [[Drachenwald]] site, it explicitly says &quot;There is no special title for such people.&quot; (http://www.drachenwald.sca.org/Herald/titles.php)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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  &lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The usage is all over the SCA historical documents, up to and including recent Board Minutes.  The one place I can&#039;t find it is in any Laurel Rulings or Precedents.  This suggests that it is &quot;not approved&quot; rather than &quot;banned.&quot;  Accordingly, I have changed the wording on the page to reflect that.  If someone finds a citation to an actual *ban*, then we can certainly change it back.  [[User:AlexandreDavigne|AlexandreDavigne]] 23:49, 26 February 2009 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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		<author><name>AlexandreDavigne</name></author>
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		<title>Cian at 01:19, 26 February 2009</title>
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		<updated>2009-02-26T01:19:52Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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  &lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;==&quot;Although banned by the Laurel Sovereign of Arms&quot; ==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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  &lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Can someone point me to the source of this?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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  &lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Can someone point me to the source of this?&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt; - [[User:Wolffauer|Wolffauer]]&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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  &lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* I don&#039;t know whether it is banned but the use of &quot;Honourable&quot; is certainly not approved by the SCA [[College of Heralds]]. I have found no mention of the [[title]] or any alternative on http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/titles.html. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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  &lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:It just says:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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  &lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;::[[Lord]]/[[Lady]]/-:    Basic title for persons who hold [[Arms]] by [[Award]] or [[Grant of Arms|Grant]].&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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  &lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:Indeed, on the [[Drachenwald]] site, it explicitly says &quot;There is no special title for such people.&quot; (http://www.drachenwald.sca.org/Herald/titles.php)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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		<title>Wolffauer at 15:28, 25 February 2009</title>
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		<updated>2009-02-25T15:28:12Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;==&amp;quot;Although banned by the Laurel Sovereign of Arms&amp;quot; ==&lt;br /&gt;
Can someone point me to the source of this?&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Wolffauer</name></author>
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