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Paul Matisz: /* Squires in the SCA */ adjusted section to a more impartial tone, but kept Cecily ferch Madog's excellent commentary on the institution

2008-07-10T16:09:11Z

Squires in the SCA: adjusted section to a more impartial tone, but kept Cecily ferch Madog's excellent commentary on the institution

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	==Squires in the SCA==		==Squires in the SCA==
			"Squiredom" is a hard topic to discuss, as being a squire can mean many things to many different people in the [[SCA]]. This is partially because "Squire" is not a [[title]] in the SCA and therefore carries no [[precedence]].
	This is a hard topic to discuss, as squiredom can mean many things to many different people in the [[SCA]]. '''In my view''', being a squire does NOT mean that you are any better than any other member of the [[society]]. Different knights choose squires for different reasons, and expect different things from their squires. It is something that has to be discussed when the opportunity arises. I believe squiredom is a relationship where a [[knight]] believes that he has something to offer his squire, and is mutually beneficial to both parties. At the bare minimum, this would normally mean that the knight will help the squire in their [[combat]] training, but may also aim to help the squire better understand and practise [[chivalry\|chivalric]] behaviour. ''

			Essentially, squiredom is a personal relationship between a Knight and his Squire. Each Knight choose squires for different reasons and expects different things from their squire. These expectations should be discussed before the relationship is formalized, but there is an element of mutual benefit. At the bare minimum, this relationship means that the knight will help the squire in their [[combat]] training, but also aim to help the squire better understand and practice [[chivalry\|chivalric]] behaviour.
	Most squires can be recognised by a red [[belt]] that often has their knight's [[device]] painted on the end (though not all knights have followed this unofficial custom). This shows that you have [[fealty]] and a duty to your knight.

		⚫	:'''Cecily ferch Madog's tuppence on squires:'''
	As I said, there are many different views with regards to squiredom and my views may totally go against those of another person.
		⚫	::''Without disagreeing with any of the above, I would say that the most important thing in a knight/squire relationship is that both parties are clear on what their expectations and requirements are ''from the outset'' and that there is ample opportunity as time passes and circumstances change for free discussion on whether the relationship is still working, and if not, what improvements could be made. A squire is not a slave and being in fealty should not mean that one must follow blindly and without the right to question or give feedback in an appropriate manner. '''"Fealty doesn't mean you follow the King when he decides to gallop over a cliff. It means you're holding him back."''' On the other hand, becoming a squire, especially to a "hot" knight, should not be viewed as some guaranteed fast-track to becoming a knight oneself, that can be readily abandoned if that doesn't happen.''

			Some Knights hold a public (or semi-public) "Squiring Ceremony" to formally recognize the relationship of taking a Squire in the SCA, but this is neither required nor particularly [[period]]. In this ceremony, the knight and squire exchange vows of fealty and obligation, and the Knight may give his new squire a red belt in token of his service.
⚫	Cecily ferch Madog's tuppence on squires:

			Whether or not a ceremony is held, in many Kingdoms squires can be recognized by these red [[belt]]s (sometimes marked with their knight's [[device]]), though not all knights have followed this unofficial custom. For this reason, red belts [[IKA\|tend to be reserved]] for squires, and others avoid wearing this colour to avoid appearing presumptuous.
⚫	''Without disagreeing with any of the above, I would say that the most important thing in a knight/squire relationship is that both parties are clear on what their ~~expections~~ and requirements are ''from the outset'' and that there is ample opportunity as time passes and circumstances change for free discussion on whether the relationship is still working, and if not, what improvements could be made. A squire is not a slave and being in fealty should not mean that one must follow blindly and without the right to question or give feedback in an appropriate manner. ~~<i>~~"Fealty doesn't mean you follow the King when he decides to gallop over a cliff. It means you're holding him back."~~</i>~~ On the other hand, becoming a squire, especially to a "hot" knight, should not be viewed as some guaranteed fast-track to becoming a knight oneself, that can be readily abandoned if that doesn't happen.''

	Squire in the SCA is not a [[title]] and therefore carries no [[precedence]].

	== Squire Humor in the SCA ==		== Squire Humor in the SCA ==

AlexandreDavigne: /* Squires in the SCA */

2006-09-20T17:25:52Z

Squires in the SCA

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	''Without disagreeing with any of the above, I would say that the most important thing in a knight/squire relationship is that both parties are clear on what their expections and requirements are ''from the outset'' and that there is ample opportunity as time passes and circumstances change for free discussion on whether the relationship is still working, and if not, what improvements could be made. A squire is not a slave and being in fealty should not mean that one must follow blindly and without the right to question or give feedback in an appropriate manner. <i>"Fealty doesn't mean you follow the King when he decides to gallop over a cliff. It means you're holding him back."</i> On the other hand, becoming a squire, especially to a "hot" knight, should not be viewed as some guaranteed fast-track to becoming a knight oneself, that can be readily abandoned if that doesn't happen.''		''Without disagreeing with any of the above, I would say that the most important thing in a knight/squire relationship is that both parties are clear on what their expections and requirements are ''from the outset'' and that there is ample opportunity as time passes and circumstances change for free discussion on whether the relationship is still working, and if not, what improvements could be made. A squire is not a slave and being in fealty should not mean that one must follow blindly and without the right to question or give feedback in an appropriate manner. <i>"Fealty doesn't mean you follow the King when he decides to gallop over a cliff. It means you're holding him back."</i> On the other hand, becoming a squire, especially to a "hot" knight, should not be viewed as some guaranteed fast-track to becoming a knight oneself, that can be readily abandoned if that doesn't happen.''

			Squire in the SCA is not a [[title]] and therefore carries no [[precedence]].

	== Squire Humor in the SCA ==		== Squire Humor in the SCA ==

198.77.46.80: /* Squires in the SCA */ clarification about red belts

2006-08-08T17:33:17Z

Squires in the SCA: clarification about red belts

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	This is a hard topic to discuss, as squiredom can mean many things to many different people in the [[SCA]]. '''In my view''', being a squire does NOT mean that you are any better than any other member of the [[society]]. Different knights choose squires for different reasons, and expect different things from their squires. It is something that has to be discussed when the opportunity arises. I believe squiredom is a relationship where a [[knight]] believes that he has something to offer his squire, and is mutually beneficial to both parties. At the bare minimum, this would normally mean that the knight will help the squire in their [[combat]] training, but may also aim to help the squire better understand and practise [[chivalry\|chivalric]] behaviour. ''		This is a hard topic to discuss, as squiredom can mean many things to many different people in the [[SCA]]. '''In my view''', being a squire does NOT mean that you are any better than any other member of the [[society]]. Different knights choose squires for different reasons, and expect different things from their squires. It is something that has to be discussed when the opportunity arises. I believe squiredom is a relationship where a [[knight]] believes that he has something to offer his squire, and is mutually beneficial to both parties. At the bare minimum, this would normally mean that the knight will help the squire in their [[combat]] training, but may also aim to help the squire better understand and practise [[chivalry\|chivalric]] behaviour. ''

	~~Squires~~ can be recognised by a red [[belt]] that often has their knight's [[device]] painted on the end. This shows that you have [[fealty]] and a duty to your knight.		Most squires can be recognised by a red [[belt]] that often has their knight's [[device]] painted on the end (though not all knights have followed this unofficial custom). This shows that you have [[fealty]] and a duty to your knight.

	As I said, there are many different views with regards to squiredom and my views may totally go against those of another person.		As I said, there are many different views with regards to squiredom and my views may totally go against those of another person.

Paul Matisz: added section on Squire jokes

2006-07-22T21:16:07Z

added section on Squire jokes

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	==Squires in the SCA==		==Squires in the SCA==
	This is a hard topic to discuss, as squiredom can mean many things to many different people in the [[SCA]]. ''In my view'', being a squire does NOT mean that you are any better than any other member of the [[society]]. Different knights choose squires for different reasons, and expect different things from their squires. It is something that has to be discussed when the opportunity arises. I believe squiredom is a relationship where a [[knight]] believes that he has something to offer his squire, and is mutually beneficial to both parties. At the bare minimum, this would normally mean that the knight will help the squire in their [[combat]] training, but may also aim to help the squire better understand and practise [[chivalry\|chivalric]] behaviour.		This is a hard topic to discuss, as squiredom can mean many things to many different people in the [[SCA]]. '''In my view''', being a squire does NOT mean that you are any better than any other member of the [[society]]. Different knights choose squires for different reasons, and expect different things from their squires. It is something that has to be discussed when the opportunity arises. I believe squiredom is a relationship where a [[knight]] believes that he has something to offer his squire, and is mutually beneficial to both parties. At the bare minimum, this would normally mean that the knight will help the squire in their [[combat]] training, but may also aim to help the squire better understand and practise [[chivalry\|chivalric]] behaviour. ''

	Squires can be recognised by a red [[belt]] that often has their knight's [[device]] painted on the end. This shows that you have [[fealty]] and a duty to your knight.		Squires can be recognised by a red [[belt]] that often has their knight's [[device]] painted on the end. This shows that you have [[fealty]] and a duty to your knight.
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	Without disagreeing with any of the above, I would say that the most important thing in a knight/squire relationship is that both parties are clear on what their expections and requirements are ''from the outset'' and that there is ample opportunity as time passes and circumstances change for free discussion on whether the relationship is still working, and if not, what improvements could be made. A squire is not a slave and being in fealty should not mean that one must follow blindly and without the right to question or give feedback in an appropriate manner. <i>"Fealty doesn't mean you follow the King when he decides to gallop over a cliff. It means you're holding him back."</i> On the other hand, becoming a squire, especially to a "hot" knight, should not be viewed as some guaranteed fast-track to becoming a knight oneself, that can be readily abandoned if that doesn't happen.		''Without disagreeing with any of the above, I would say that the most important thing in a knight/squire relationship is that both parties are clear on what their expections and requirements are ''from the outset'' and that there is ample opportunity as time passes and circumstances change for free discussion on whether the relationship is still working, and if not, what improvements could be made. A squire is not a slave and being in fealty should not mean that one must follow blindly and without the right to question or give feedback in an appropriate manner. <i>"Fealty doesn't mean you follow the King when he decides to gallop over a cliff. It means you're holding him back."</i> On the other hand, becoming a squire, especially to a "hot" knight, should not be viewed as some guaranteed fast-track to becoming a knight oneself, that can be readily abandoned if that doesn't happen.''

			== Squire Humor in the SCA ==
			Humorous references to squires abound in SCA humour, particularly references to the "tendency" (mostly fictional) of Knights abusing their squires or giving them [[mundane]] duties outside the [[SCA]]; Master [[Hector of the Black Height]] includes a number of classic squire jokes in many of his songs. Most of this humour is good-natured, and any squire jokes shouldn't be taken personally by those wearing red belts.


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User 144: categorising

2006-05-23T09:39:42Z

categorising

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	Without disagreeing with any of the above, I would say that the most important thing in a knight/squire relationship is that both parties are clear on what their expections and requirements are ''from the outset'' and that there is ample opportunity as time passes and circumstances change for free discussion on whether the relationship is still working, and if not, what improvements could be made. A squire is not a slave and being in fealty should not mean that one must follow blindly and without the right to question or give feedback in an appropriate manner. <i>"Fealty doesn't mean you follow the King when he decides to gallop over a cliff. It means you're holding him back."</i> On the other hand, becoming a squire, especially to a "hot" knight, should not be viewed as some guaranteed fast-track to becoming a knight oneself, that can be readily abandoned if that doesn't happen.		Without disagreeing with any of the above, I would say that the most important thing in a knight/squire relationship is that both parties are clear on what their expections and requirements are ''from the outset'' and that there is ample opportunity as time passes and circumstances change for free discussion on whether the relationship is still working, and if not, what improvements could be made. A squire is not a slave and being in fealty should not mean that one must follow blindly and without the right to question or give feedback in an appropriate manner. <i>"Fealty doesn't mean you follow the King when he decides to gallop over a cliff. It means you're holding him back."</i> On the other hand, becoming a squire, especially to a "hot" knight, should not be viewed as some guaranteed fast-track to becoming a knight oneself, that can be readily abandoned if that doesn't happen.
			[[category:title]][[category:SCAism]]

82.145.215.2 at 15:00, 6 August 2005

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	Without disagreeing with any of the above, I would say that the most important thing in a knight/squire relationship is that both parties are clear on what their expections and requirements are ''from the outset'' and that there is ample opportunity as time passes and circumstances change for free discussion on whether the relationship is still working, and if not, what improvements could be made. A squire is not a slave and being in fealty should not mean that one must follow blindly and without the right to question or give feedback in an appropriate manner. "Fealty doesn't mean ~~following~~ the King when he decides to gallop over a cliff. It means holding him back." On the other hand, becoming a squire, especially to a "hot" knight, should not be viewed as some guaranteed fast-track to becoming a knight oneself, that can be readily abandoned if that doesn't happen.		Without disagreeing with any of the above, I would say that the most important thing in a knight/squire relationship is that both parties are clear on what their expections and requirements are ''from the outset'' and that there is ample opportunity as time passes and circumstances change for free discussion on whether the relationship is still working, and if not, what improvements could be made. A squire is not a slave and being in fealty should not mean that one must follow blindly and without the right to question or give feedback in an appropriate manner. <i>"Fealty doesn't mean you follow the King when he decides to gallop over a cliff. It means you're holding him back."</i> On the other hand, becoming a squire, especially to a "hot" knight, should not be viewed as some guaranteed fast-track to becoming a knight oneself, that can be readily abandoned if that doesn't happen.

82.145.215.2 at 14:59, 6 August 2005

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	Without disagreeing with any of the above, I would say that the most important thing in a knight/squire relationship is that both parties are clear on what their expections and requirements are ''from the outset'' and that there is ample opportunity as time passes and circumstances change for free discussion on whether the relationship is still working, and if not, what improvements could be made. A squire is not a slave and being in fealty should not mean that one must follow blindly and without the right to question or give feedback in an appropriate manner. On the other hand, becoming a squire, especially to a "hot" knight should not be viewed as some guaranteed fast-track to becoming a knight oneself, that can be readily abandoned if that doesn't happen.		Without disagreeing with any of the above, I would say that the most important thing in a knight/squire relationship is that both parties are clear on what their expections and requirements are ''from the outset'' and that there is ample opportunity as time passes and circumstances change for free discussion on whether the relationship is still working, and if not, what improvements could be made. A squire is not a slave and being in fealty should not mean that one must follow blindly and without the right to question or give feedback in an appropriate manner. "Fealty doesn't mean following the King when he decides to gallop over a cliff. It means holding him back." On the other hand, becoming a squire, especially to a "hot" knight, should not be viewed as some guaranteed fast-track to becoming a knight oneself, that can be readily abandoned if that doesn't happen.

Cecilyferchmadog at 23:16, 26 March 2005

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	A '''squire''' is an attendant of a [[knight]] who may act as their [[shield-bearer]] and assist them in various other ways. Traditionally, they are [[rank]]ed below the knight but higher than a [[gentleman]]. There is no ~~gaurantee~~ that they will ever become a knight themselves.		A '''squire''' is an attendant of a [[knight]] who may act as their [[shield-bearer]] and assist them in various other ways. Traditionally, they are [[rank]]ed below the knight but higher than a [[gentleman]]. There is no guarantee that they will ever become a knight themselves.

	It came to also mean an [[England\|English]] country gentleman. A related term "[[esquire]]" still exists in England to this day and is widely used in the US by attorneys (male and female!) to designate their profession.		It came to also mean an [[England\|English]] country gentleman. A related term "[[esquire]]" still exists in England to this day and is widely used in the US by attorneys (male and female!) to designate their profession.

Cecilyferchmadog: Ces's 2p

2005-03-26T23:13:41Z

Ces's 2p

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	A '''squire''' is an attendant of a [[knight]] who may act as their [[shield-bearer]] and assist them in various other ways. Traditionally, they are [[rank]]ed below the knight but higher than a [[gentleman]]. There is no gaurantee that they will ever become a knight themselves.		A '''squire''' is an attendant of a [[knight]] who may act as their [[shield-bearer]] and assist them in various other ways. Traditionally, they are [[rank]]ed below the knight but higher than a [[gentleman]]. There is no gaurantee that they will ever become a knight themselves.

	It came to also mean an [[England\|English]] country gentleman. A related term "[[esquire]]" still exists in England to this day.		It came to also mean an [[England\|English]] country gentleman. A related term "[[esquire]]" still exists in England to this day and is widely used in the US by attorneys (male and female!) to designate their profession.

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	As I said, there are many different views with regards to squiredom and my views may totally go against those of another person.		As I said, there are many different views with regards to squiredom and my views may totally go against those of another person.

			Cecily ferch Madog's tuppence on squires:

			Without disagreeing with any of the above, I would say that the most important thing in a knight/squire relationship is that both parties are clear on what their expections and requirements are ''from the outset'' and that there is ample opportunity as time passes and circumstances change for free discussion on whether the relationship is still working, and if not, what improvements could be made. A squire is not a slave and being in fealty should not mean that one must follow blindly and without the right to question or give feedback in an appropriate manner. On the other hand, becoming a squire, especially to a "hot" knight should not be viewed as some guaranteed fast-track to becoming a knight oneself, that can be readily abandoned if that doesn't happen.

Simoncursitor: Tap in to Esquire

2004-12-20T13:59:10Z

Tap in to Esquire

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	A '''squire''' is an attendant of a [[knight]] who may act as their [[shield-bearer]] and assist them in various other ways. Traditionally, they are [[rank]]ed below the knight but higher than a [[gentleman]]. There is no gaurantee that they will ever become a knight themselves.		A '''squire''' is an attendant of a [[knight]] who may act as their [[shield-bearer]] and assist them in various other ways. Traditionally, they are [[rank]]ed below the knight but higher than a [[gentleman]]. There is no gaurantee that they will ever become a knight themselves.

	It came to also mean an [[England\|English]] country gentleman.		It came to also mean an [[England\|English]] country gentleman. A related term "[[esquire]]" still exists in England to this day.

	==Squires in the SCA==		==Squires in the SCA==