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	Scientific progress, as we think of it, was limited during early [[period]]. Scientific thought bloomed during the [[Renaissance]], when "proper" [[scientific method]] was developed and the study of the world became separate to the teachings of [[religion]].		Scientific progress, as we think of it, was limited during early [[period]]. Scientific thought bloomed during the [[Renaissance]], when "proper" [[scientific method]] was developed and the study of the world became separate to the teachings of [[religion]].

	=== Progress toward the Scientific Method===
	Anton here (6/11/03) :

	The above is a very nineteenth century view that has been extensively challenged in recent years.

	On the theory side,[http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albertus_Magnus Albertus Magnus] and [[Roger Bacon]] are two examples of medieval thinkers who embodied the scientific method.

	Another, even less known, example is Albertus Magnus' finest student St Thomas Aquinas (yeah, the Thomas Aquinas, the one all you Catholic schoolkids were made to read) - although he very seldom ventured out of Philosophy or Theology into what we would recognise as Science.

	Here is two of his comments on discussion of Ptomely's scheme of how the stars work

	'The suppositions that these astronomers have invented need not necessarily be true; for perhaps the phenomena of the stars are explicable on some other plan not yet discovered by men' (in Lib. ii. de Coelo, lect. 17).

	'The reason alleged does not sufficiently prove the position; it only shows that when the position is assumed, the effects follow naturally. Thus in astronomy the system of eccentrics and epicycles is argued from the fact that the assumption enables us to explain the sensible phenomena of the motions of the heavenly bodies; this argument, however, falls short of a convincing proof, for possibly the phenomena might be explained on some other supposition' (Sum. Theol., i. q. 32, art. 1, ad. 2)

	Note the emphasis on knowing the "sensible phenomena" (ie observation by the senses) and then coming up with a falsifiable theory ("some other plan not yet discovered by men") to explain it ... if Thomas had been more interested in optics, or the motion of bodies, then the history of thought could be quite different ("I bounced out of my Theology degree when I failed the Physics unit").

	I am deeply indebted to Joseph Rickaby's "Scholasticism" for this, available via the Jacques Martinian Center web site at http://www.nd.edu/Departments/Maritain/etext/scholas1.htm

	=== Technological Progress ===
	On the practical side, the medieval era saw a large number of technical innovations in bridge building, architecture, metallurgy, ship building, the magnetic compass and so on - the Ancients may have had more high theory, but the medieval world had a genius for putting science to work.

	A decent summary of medieval applied science is Frances and Joseph Gies' book "Cathedral, Forge and Water Wheel"
	[[category:sciences]]		[[category:sciences]]

User 144: Reverted edits by KarenLarsdatter (Talk); changed back to last version by Tiff

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Reverted edits by KarenLarsdatter (Talk); changed back to last version by Tiff

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	Anton here (6/11/03) :		Anton here (6/11/03) :

	The above is a very ~~[[19th_century\|~~nineteenth century]] view that has been extensively challenged in recent years.		The above is a very nineteenth century view that has been extensively challenged in recent years.

	On the theory side, [~~[Wikipedia~~:Albertus_Magnus\|Albertus Magnus]] and [[Roger Bacon]] are two examples of medieval thinkers who embodied the scientific method.		On the theory side,[http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albertus_Magnus Albertus Magnus] and [[Roger Bacon]] are two examples of medieval thinkers who embodied the scientific method.

	Another example is Albertus Magnus' student ~~[[Thomas_Aquinas\|~~St Thomas Aquinas]], although he very seldom ventured out of ~~philosophy~~ or ~~theology~~ into what we would recognise as ~~science~~.		Another, even less known, example is Albertus Magnus' finest student St Thomas Aquinas (yeah, the Thomas Aquinas, the one all you Catholic schoolkids were made to read) - although he very seldom ventured out of Philosophy or Theology into what we would recognise as Science.

	Here is two of his comments on discussion of ~~[[Ptolemy\|Ptolemy~~'s]] scheme of how the stars work:		Here is two of his comments on discussion of Ptomely's scheme of how the stars work

	'The suppositions that these astronomers have invented need not necessarily be true; for perhaps the phenomena of the stars are explicable on some other plan not yet discovered by men' (in Lib. ii. de Coelo, lect. 17).		'The suppositions that these astronomers have invented need not necessarily be true; for perhaps the phenomena of the stars are explicable on some other plan not yet discovered by men' (in Lib. ii. de Coelo, lect. 17).
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	On the practical side, the medieval era saw a large number of technical innovations in bridge building, architecture, metallurgy, ship building, the magnetic compass and so on - the Ancients may have had more high theory, but the medieval world had a genius for putting science to work.		On the practical side, the medieval era saw a large number of technical innovations in bridge building, architecture, metallurgy, ship building, the magnetic compass and so on - the Ancients may have had more high theory, but the medieval world had a genius for putting science to work.

	A decent summary of medieval applied science is Frances and Joseph Gies' book ''Cathedral, Forge and Water Wheel~~: Technology and Invention in the Middle Ages'' (ISBN 0060925817).~~		A decent summary of medieval applied science is Frances and Joseph Gies' book "Cathedral, Forge and Water Wheel"

	== External Links ==
	* [http://moas.atlantia.sca.org/wsnlinks/index.php?action=displaycat&catid=550 Atlantian A&S Links: Physical Sciences]
	[[category:sciences]]		[[category:sciences]]

KarenLarsdatter: /* Technological Progress */

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Technological Progress

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	On the practical side, the medieval era saw a large number of technical innovations in bridge building, architecture, metallurgy, ship building, the magnetic compass and so on - the Ancients may have had more high theory, but the medieval world had a genius for putting science to work.		On the practical side, the medieval era saw a large number of technical innovations in bridge building, architecture, metallurgy, ship building, the magnetic compass and so on - the Ancients may have had more high theory, but the medieval world had a genius for putting science to work.

	A decent summary of medieval applied science is Frances and Joseph Gies' book ''Cathedral, Forge and Water Wheel: Technology and Invention in the Middle Ages'' (ISBN ~~1189447607~~).		A decent summary of medieval applied science is Frances and Joseph Gies' book ''Cathedral, Forge and Water Wheel: Technology and Invention in the Middle Ages'' (ISBN 0060925817).

	== External Links ==		== External Links ==

KarenLarsdatter: /* External Links */

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External Links

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	== External Links ==		== External Links ==
	[* http://moas.atlantia.sca.org/wsnlinks/index.php?action=displaycat&catid=550 Atlantian A&S Links: Physical Sciences]		* [http://moas.atlantia.sca.org/wsnlinks/index.php?action=displaycat&catid=550 Atlantian A&S Links: Physical Sciences]
	[[category:sciences]]		[[category:sciences]]

KarenLarsdatter: /* Progress toward the Scientific Method */

2007-09-10T18:12:00Z

Progress toward the Scientific Method

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	The above is a very [[19th_century\|nineteenth century]] view that has been extensively challenged in recent years.		The above is a very [[19th_century\|nineteenth century]] view that has been extensively challenged in recent years.

	On the theory side, [[Wikipedia:Albertus_Magnus:Albertus Magnus]] and [[Roger Bacon]] are two examples of medieval thinkers who embodied the scientific method.		On the theory side, [[Wikipedia:Albertus_Magnus\|Albertus Magnus]] and [[Roger Bacon]] are two examples of medieval thinkers who embodied the scientific method.

	Another example is Albertus Magnus' student [[Thomas_Aquinas\|St Thomas Aquinas]], although he very seldom ventured out of philosophy or theology into what we would recognise as science.		Another example is Albertus Magnus' student [[Thomas_Aquinas\|St Thomas Aquinas]], although he very seldom ventured out of philosophy or theology into what we would recognise as science.

KarenLarsdatter: External & internal links

2007-09-10T18:11:45Z

External & internal links

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	Anton here (6/11/03) :		Anton here (6/11/03) :

	The above is a very nineteenth century view that has been extensively challenged in recent years.		The above is a very [[19th_century\|nineteenth century]] view that has been extensively challenged in recent years.

	On the theory side,[~~http~~:~~//www.wikipedia.org/wiki/~~Albertus_Magnus Albertus Magnus] and [[Roger Bacon]] are two examples of medieval thinkers who embodied the scientific method.		On the theory side, [[Wikipedia:Albertus_Magnus:Albertus Magnus]] and [[Roger Bacon]] are two examples of medieval thinkers who embodied the scientific method.

	Another~~, even less known,~~ example is Albertus Magnus' ~~finest~~ student St Thomas Aquinas ~~(yeah~~, the Thomas Aquinas, the one all you Catholic schoolkids were made to read) - although he very seldom ventured out of ~~Philosophy~~ or ~~Theology~~ into what we would recognise as ~~Science~~.		Another example is Albertus Magnus' student [[Thomas_Aquinas\|St Thomas Aquinas]], although he very seldom ventured out of philosophy or theology into what we would recognise as science.

	Here is two of his comments on discussion of ~~Ptomely~~'s scheme of how the stars work		Here is two of his comments on discussion of [[Ptolemy\|Ptolemy's]] scheme of how the stars work:

	'The suppositions that these astronomers have invented need not necessarily be true; for perhaps the phenomena of the stars are explicable on some other plan not yet discovered by men' (in Lib. ii. de Coelo, lect. 17).		'The suppositions that these astronomers have invented need not necessarily be true; for perhaps the phenomena of the stars are explicable on some other plan not yet discovered by men' (in Lib. ii. de Coelo, lect. 17).
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	On the practical side, the medieval era saw a large number of technical innovations in bridge building, architecture, metallurgy, ship building, the magnetic compass and so on - the Ancients may have had more high theory, but the medieval world had a genius for putting science to work.		On the practical side, the medieval era saw a large number of technical innovations in bridge building, architecture, metallurgy, ship building, the magnetic compass and so on - the Ancients may have had more high theory, but the medieval world had a genius for putting science to work.

	A decent summary of medieval applied science is Frances and Joseph Gies' book "Cathedral, Forge and Water Wheel"		A decent summary of medieval applied science is Frances and Joseph Gies' book ''Cathedral, Forge and Water Wheel: Technology and Invention in the Middle Ages'' (ISBN 1189447607).

			== External Links ==
			[* http://moas.atlantia.sca.org/wsnlinks/index.php?action=displaycat&catid=550 Atlantian A&S Links: Physical Sciences]
	[[category:sciences]]		[[category:sciences]]

Tiff: Reverted edits by 152.163.100.8 (Talk); changed back to last version by User 144

2006-10-30T04:32:35Z

Reverted edits by 152.163.100.8 (Talk); changed back to last version by User 144

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			'''For a discussion of SCA Sciences you should see the [[Sciences]] article'''
⚫	~~kill a butt muscle~~[[category:sciences]]
			----
			Scientific progress, as we think of it, was limited during early [[period]]. Scientific thought bloomed during the [[Renaissance]], when "proper" [[scientific method]] was developed and the study of the world became separate to the teachings of [[religion]].

			=== Progress toward the Scientific Method===
			Anton here (6/11/03) :

			The above is a very nineteenth century view that has been extensively challenged in recent years.

			On the theory side,[http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albertus_Magnus Albertus Magnus] and [[Roger Bacon]] are two examples of medieval thinkers who embodied the scientific method.

			Another, even less known, example is Albertus Magnus' finest student St Thomas Aquinas (yeah, the Thomas Aquinas, the one all you Catholic schoolkids were made to read) - although he very seldom ventured out of Philosophy or Theology into what we would recognise as Science.

			Here is two of his comments on discussion of Ptomely's scheme of how the stars work

			'The suppositions that these astronomers have invented need not necessarily be true; for perhaps the phenomena of the stars are explicable on some other plan not yet discovered by men' (in Lib. ii. de Coelo, lect. 17).

			'The reason alleged does not sufficiently prove the position; it only shows that when the position is assumed, the effects follow naturally. Thus in astronomy the system of eccentrics and epicycles is argued from the fact that the assumption enables us to explain the sensible phenomena of the motions of the heavenly bodies; this argument, however, falls short of a convincing proof, for possibly the phenomena might be explained on some other supposition' (Sum. Theol., i. q. 32, art. 1, ad. 2)

			Note the emphasis on knowing the "sensible phenomena" (ie observation by the senses) and then coming up with a falsifiable theory ("some other plan not yet discovered by men") to explain it ... if Thomas had been more interested in optics, or the motion of bodies, then the history of thought could be quite different ("I bounced out of my Theology degree when I failed the Physics unit").

			I am deeply indebted to Joseph Rickaby's "Scholasticism" for this, available via the Jacques Martinian Center web site at http://www.nd.edu/Departments/Maritain/etext/scholas1.htm

			=== Technological Progress ===
			On the practical side, the medieval era saw a large number of technical innovations in bridge building, architecture, metallurgy, ship building, the magnetic compass and so on - the Ancients may have had more high theory, but the medieval world had a genius for putting science to work.

			A decent summary of medieval applied science is Frances and Joseph Gies' book "Cathedral, Forge and Water Wheel"
		⚫	[[category:sciences]]

152.163.100.8 at 03:10, 30 October 2006

2006-10-30T03:10:00Z

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		⚫	kill a butt muscle[[category:sciences]]
	'''For a discussion of SCA Sciences you should see the [[Sciences]] article'''
	----
	Scientific progress, as we think of it, was limited during early [[period]]. Scientific thought bloomed during the [[Renaissance]], when "proper" [[scientific method]] was developed and the study of the world became separate to the teachings of [[religion]].

	=== Progress toward the Scientific Method===
	Anton here (6/11/03) :

	The above is a very nineteenth century view that has been extensively challenged in recent years.

	On the theory side,[http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albertus_Magnus Albertus Magnus] and [[Roger Bacon]] are two examples of medieval thinkers who embodied the scientific method.

	Another, even less known, example is Albertus Magnus' finest student St Thomas Aquinas (yeah, the Thomas Aquinas, the one all you Catholic schoolkids were made to read) - although he very seldom ventured out of Philosophy or Theology into what we would recognise as Science.

	Here is two of his comments on discussion of Ptomely's scheme of how the stars work

	'The suppositions that these astronomers have invented need not necessarily be true; for perhaps the phenomena of the stars are explicable on some other plan not yet discovered by men' (in Lib. ii. de Coelo, lect. 17).

	'The reason alleged does not sufficiently prove the position; it only shows that when the position is assumed, the effects follow naturally. Thus in astronomy the system of eccentrics and epicycles is argued from the fact that the assumption enables us to explain the sensible phenomena of the motions of the heavenly bodies; this argument, however, falls short of a convincing proof, for possibly the phenomena might be explained on some other supposition' (Sum. Theol., i. q. 32, art. 1, ad. 2)

	Note the emphasis on knowing the "sensible phenomena" (ie observation by the senses) and then coming up with a falsifiable theory ("some other plan not yet discovered by men") to explain it ... if Thomas had been more interested in optics, or the motion of bodies, then the history of thought could be quite different ("I bounced out of my Theology degree when I failed the Physics unit").

	I am deeply indebted to Joseph Rickaby's "Scholasticism" for this, available via the Jacques Martinian Center web site at http://www.nd.edu/Departments/Maritain/etext/scholas1.htm

	=== Technological Progress ===
	On the practical side, the medieval era saw a large number of technical innovations in bridge building, architecture, metallurgy, ship building, the magnetic compass and so on - the Ancients may have had more high theory, but the medieval world had a genius for putting science to work.

	A decent summary of medieval applied science is Frances and Joseph Gies' book "Cathedral, Forge and Water Wheel"
⚫	[[category:sciences]]

User 144 at 11:18, 10 September 2006

2006-09-10T11:18:30Z

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	'''For a discussion of SCA Sciences you should see the [[Sciences]] article'''		'''For a discussion of SCA Sciences you should see the [[Sciences]] article'''
	----		----
	Scientific progress, as we think of it, was limited during early [[period]]. Scientific thought bloomed during the [[Renaissance]], when "proper" scientific method was developed and the study of the world became separate to the teachings of [[religion]].		Scientific progress, as we think of it, was limited during early [[period]]. Scientific thought bloomed during the [[Renaissance]], when "proper" [[scientific method]] was developed and the study of the world became separate to the teachings of [[religion]].

	=== Progress toward the Scientific Method===		=== Progress toward the Scientific Method===

User 144: categorising

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categorising

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	A decent summary of medieval applied science is Frances and Joseph Gies' book "Cathedral, Forge and Water Wheel"		A decent summary of medieval applied science is Frances and Joseph Gies' book "Cathedral, Forge and Water Wheel"
			[[category:sciences]]