Peter Abelard - Revision history

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Two factoids. Sorry no attribution on the book.

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	:In measure as this passionate rapture absorbed me more and more, I devoted ever less time to philosophy and to the work of the school. Indeed it became loathsome to me to go to the school or to linger there; the labour, moreover, was very burdensome, since my nights were vigils of love and my days of study. My lecturing became utterly careless and lukewarm; I did nothing because of inspiration, but everything merely as a matter of habit. I had become nothing more than a reciter of my former discoveries, and though I still wrote poems, they dealt with love, not with the secrets of philosophy. Of these songs you yourself well know how some have become widely known and have been sung in many lands, chiefly, methinks, by those who delighted in the things of this world. As for the sorrow, the groans, the lamentations of my students when they perceived the preoccupation, nay, rather the chaos, of my mind, it is hard even to imagine them.		:In measure as this passionate rapture absorbed me more and more, I devoted ever less time to philosophy and to the work of the school. Indeed it became loathsome to me to go to the school or to linger there; the labour, moreover, was very burdensome, since my nights were vigils of love and my days of study. My lecturing became utterly careless and lukewarm; I did nothing because of inspiration, but everything merely as a matter of habit. I had become nothing more than a reciter of my former discoveries, and though I still wrote poems, they dealt with love, not with the secrets of philosophy. Of these songs you yourself well know how some have become widely known and have been sung in many lands, chiefly, methinks, by those who delighted in the things of this world. As for the sorrow, the groans, the lamentations of my students when they perceived the preoccupation, nay, rather the chaos, of my mind, it is hard even to imagine them.

	Their relationship had issues ; read his Historia Calamatium for the details, but lets just say "upset uncle, fruit knife".		Their relationship had issues ; read his Historia Calamatium for the details, but lets just say "upset uncle, fruit knife". The two were almost certainly the medieval equivalent as they named their son [[Astrolabe]]. There has also been a minor controversy recently with a book claiming that most of Abelard's most innovative ideas were first put forward be Heloise.

	Dealing with his, like, work rather than his personal life, it was about as stormy.		Dealing with his, like, work rather than his personal life, it was about as stormy.

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	Born in 1079, died in 1142. '''Peter Abelard's''' finest achievement was probably developing the [[Scholastic]] method of putting the arguments for and against a proposition in the same document, where they could be analysed and the truth teased out of contradictory statements. However, the book he did this in, 'Sic et Non', got him into some trouble with the authorities, as it mixed orthodox and dodgy opinions without giving any judgement on them.		Born in 1079, died in 1142. '''Peter Abelard's''' finest achievement was probably developing the [[Scholastic]] method of putting the arguments for and against a proposition in the same document, where they could be analysed and the truth teased out of contradictory statements. However, the book he did this in, 'Sic et Non', got him into some trouble with the authorities, as it mixed orthodox and dodgy opinions without giving any judgement on them.

	The work that really got him into trouble though was his book 'On The Trinity'. Bernard of Clairvaux (as in the later [[Saint Bernard]]) got really upset at it, and it was formally condemned at the Council of Soissons in [[1121]], and Peter Abelard was made to personally burn his copy. Fortunately R. Stolze, a [[19th century]] German guy, found a copy someone had made and stashed it. Many negative things can be said about 19th Century historians, but they did save a lot of good material.		The work that really got him into trouble though was his book 'On The Trinity'. Bernard of Clairvaux (as in the later [[Saint Bernard]]) got really upset at it, and it was formally condemned at the Council of Soissons in [[1121]], and Peter Abelard was made to personally burn his copy. Fortunately R. Stolze, a [[19th century]] German guy, found a copy someone had made and stashed, and published it. Many negative things can (and have) been said about 19th Century historians, but they did save a lot of good material.

	== His relationship with Heloise ==		== His relationship with Heloise ==

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	== His relationship with Heloise ==		== His relationship with Heloise ==
	~~'''~~Peter Abelard~~'''~~ is notable for being one of the two best [[Scholastics]] never to get a Sainthood. In his case, it was because of his girlfriend Heloise, or more accurately what he got busted doing with his girlfriend Heloise.		Peter Abelard is notable for being one of the two best [[Scholastics]] never to get a Sainthood. In his case, it was because of his girlfriend Heloise, or more accurately what he got busted doing with his girlfriend Heloise.

	This is what he said about her, in his autobiography, Historia Calamitatum		This is what he said about her, in his autobiography, Historia Calamitatum

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	Born in 1079, died in 1142. '''Peter Abelard's''' finest achievement was probably developing the Scholastic method of putting the arguments for and against a proposition in the same document, where they could be analysed and the truth teased out of contradictory statements. ~~Howver~~, the book he did this in, 'Sic et Non', got him into some trouble with the authorities, as it mixed orthodox and dodgy opinions without giving any judgement on them.		Born in 1079, died in 1142. '''Peter Abelard's''' finest achievement was probably developing the [[Scholastic]] method of putting the arguments for and against a proposition in the same document, where they could be analysed and the truth teased out of contradictory statements. However, the book he did this in, 'Sic et Non', got him into some trouble with the authorities, as it mixed orthodox and dodgy opinions without giving any judgement on them.

	The work that really got him into trouble though was his book 'On The Trinity'. Bernard of Clairvaux (as in the later [[Saint Bernard]]) got really upset at it, and it was formally condemned at the Council of Soissons in [[1121]], and Peter Abelard was made to personally burn his copy. Fortunately R. Stolze, a [[19th century]] German guy, found a copy someone had made and stashed it. Many negative things can be said about 19th Century historians, but they did save a lot of good material.		The work that really got him into trouble though was his book 'On The Trinity'. Bernard of Clairvaux (as in the later [[Saint Bernard]]) got really upset at it, and it was formally condemned at the Council of Soissons in [[1121]], and Peter Abelard was made to personally burn his copy. Fortunately R. Stolze, a [[19th century]] German guy, found a copy someone had made and stashed it. Many negative things can be said about 19th Century historians, but they did save a lot of good material.

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	== Attribution ==		== Attribution ==
	This article is based on an original article by [[Anton de Stoc]], you can find a copy of the original in the article's history.		This article is based on an original article by [[Anton de Stoc]], you can find a copy of the [http://www.sca.org.au/cunnan/wiki.phtml?title=Peter_Abelard&oldid=2430 original in the article's history].

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-In his case, it was because of his girlfriend Heloise, or more accurately what he got busted doing with his girlfriend Heloise.
+'''Peter Abelard''' is notable for being one of the two best [[Scholastics]] never to get a Sainthood. In his case, it was because of his girlfriend Heloise, or more accurately what he got busted doing with his girlfriend Heloise.
 This is what he said about her, in his autobiography, Historia Calamitatum
 ("The Story of My Misfortunes") ...
 Their relationship had issues ; read his Historia Calamatium for the details, but lets just say "upset uncle, fruit knife".
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 Dealing with his, like, work rather than his personal life, it was about as stormy.

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	His finest achievement was probably developing the Scholastic method of putting the arguments for and against a proposition in the same document, where they could be analysed and the truth teased out of contradictory statements. Howver, the book he did this in - 'Sic et Non' - got him into some trouble with the authorities, as it mixed orthodox and dodgy opinions without giving any judgement on them.		His finest achievement was probably developing the Scholastic method of putting the arguments for and against a proposition in the same document, where they could be analysed and the truth teased out of contradictory statements. Howver, the book he did this in - 'Sic et Non' - got him into some trouble with the authorities, as it mixed orthodox and dodgy opinions without giving any judgement on them.

	The work that really got him into trouble though was his book 'On The Trinity' ... Bernard of Clairvaux (as in the later Saint Bernard) got really upset at it, it got formally condemned at the Council of Soissons in 1121, and he had to personally burn a copy. The good news is ~~some~~ [[nineteenth century]] German ~~guys~~ found a copy someone had made and stashed ...		The work that really got him into trouble though was his book 'On The Trinity' ... Bernard of Clairvaux (as in the later Saint Bernard) got really upset at it, it got formally condemned at the Council of Soissons in 1121, and he had to personally burn his copy. The good news is R. Stolze, a [[nineteenth century]] German guy, found a copy someone had made and stashed ... I say a lot of mean things about 19th C historians, but you guys saved a lot of good stuff. Thank you.

	OK, so thats the short version of the history of Scholasticism's Stormy Petrel.		OK, so thats the short version of the history of Scholasticism's Stormy Petrel.

	Go read his autobiography.		Now, go read his autobiography.

	Anton de Stoc		Anton de Stoc

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	The love letters between Abelard and Heloise are incredibly wonderful ... they are here http://www.aug.edu/langlitcom/humanitiesHBK/handbook_htm/heloise&abelard.htm		The love letters between Abelard and Heloise are incredibly wonderful ... they are here http://www.aug.edu/langlitcom/humanitiesHBK/handbook_htm/heloise&abelard.htm

	It ~~ended~~ ~~badly.~~ ~~Read~~ his Historia Calamatium for the details, but lets just say "upset uncle, fruit knife".		Their relationship had issues ; read his Historia Calamatium for the details, but lets just say "upset uncle, fruit knife".

	Dealing with his, like, work rather than his personal life, it was about as stormy.		Dealing with his, like, work rather than his personal life, it was about as stormy.

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Born 1079, died 1142.

Notable for being one of the 2 best [[Scholastics]] never to get a Sainthood.

In his case, it was because of his girlfriend Heloise, or more accurately what he got busted doing with his girlfriend Heloise.

This is what he said about her, in his autobiography, Historia Calamitatum
("The Story of My Misfortunes") ...

OF HOW, BROUGHT LOW BY HIS LOVE FOR HELOISE, HE WAS WOUNDED IN BODY AND SOUL

NOW there dwelt in that same city of Paris a certain young girl named Heloise, the neice of a canon who was called Fulbert. Her uncle's love for her was equalled only by his desire that she should have the best education which he could possibly procure for her. Of no mean beauty, she stood out above all by reason of her abundant knowledge of letters. Now this virtue is rare among women, and for that very reason it doubly graced the maiden, and made her the most worthy of renown in the entire kingdom. It was this young girl whom I, after carefully considering all those qualities which are wont to attract lovers, determined to unite with myself in the bonds of love, and indeed the thing seemed to me very easy to be done. So distinguished was my name, and I possessed such advantages of youth and comeliness, that no matter what woman I might favour with my love, I dreaded rejection of none. Then, too, I believed that I could win the maiden's consent all the more easily by reason of her knowledge of letters and her zeal therefor; so, even if we were parted, we might yet be together in thought with the aid of written messages. Perchance, too, we might be able to write more boldly than we could speak, and thus at all times could we live in joyous intimacy.

Thus, utterly aflame with my passion for this maiden, I sought to discover means whereby I might have daily and familiar speech with her, thereby the more easily to win her consent. For this purpose I persuaded the girl's uncle, with the aid of some of his friends to take me into his household--for he dwelt hard by my school--in return for the payment of a small sum. My pretext for this was that the care of my own household was a serious handicap to my studies, and likewise burdened me with an expense far greater than I could afford. Now he was a man keen in avarice and likewise he was most desirous for his niece that her study of letters should ever go forward, so, for these two reasons I easily won his consent to the fulfillment of my wish, for he was fairly agape for my money, and at the same time believed that his niece would vastly benefit by my teaching. More even than this, by his own earnest entreaties he fell in with my desires beyond anything I had dared to hope, opening the way for my love; for he entrusted her wholly to my guidance, begging me to give her instruction whensoever I might be free from the duties of my school, no matter whether by day or by night, and to punish her sternly if ever I should find her negligent of her tasks. In all this the man's simplicity was nothing short of astounding to me; I should not have been more smitten with wonder if he had entrusted a tender lamb to the care of a ravenous wolf. When he had thus given her into my charge, not alone to be taught but even to be disciplined, what had he done save to give free scope to my desires, and to offer me every opportunity, even if I had not sought it, to bend her to my will with threats and blows if I failed to do so with caresses? There were, however, two things which particularly served to allay any foul suspicion: his own love for his niece, and my former reputation for continence.

Why should I say more? We were united first in the dwelling that sheltered our love, and then in the hearts that burned with it. Under the pretext of study we spent our hours in the happiness of love, and learning held out to us the secret opportunities that our passion craved. Our speech was more of love than of the books which lay open before us; our kisses far outnumbered our reasoned words. Our hands sought less the book than each other's bosoms -- love drew our eyes together far more than the lesson drew them to the pages of our text. In order that there might be no suspicion, there were, indeed, sometimes blows, but love gave them, not anger; they were the marks, not of wrath, but of a tenderness surpassing the most fragrant balm in sweetness. What followed? No degree in love's progress was left untried by our passion, and if love itself could imagine any wonder as yet unknown, we discovered it. And our inexperience of such delights made us all the more ardent in our pursuit of them, so that our thirst for one another was still unquenched.

In measure as this passionate rapture absorbed me more and more, I devoted ever less time to philosophy and to the work of the school. Indeed it became loathsome to me to go to the school or to linger there; the labour, moreover, was very burdensome, since my nights were vigils of love and my days of study. My lecturing became utterly careless and lukewarm; I did nothing because of inspiration, but everything merely as a matter of habit. I had become nothing more than a reciter of my former discoveries, and though I still wrote poems, they dealt with love, not with the secrets of philosophy. Of these songs you yourself well know how some have become widely known and have been sung in many lands, chiefly, methinks, by those who delighted in the things of this world. As for the sorrow, the groans, the lamentations of my students when they perceived the preoccupation, nay, rather the chaos, of my mind, it is hard even to imagine them.

Actually, go read his autobiography. It's here http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/abelard-histcal.html .

The love letters between Abelard and Heloise are incredibly wonderful ... they are here http://www.aug.edu/langlitcom/humanitiesHBK/handbook_htm/heloise&abelard.htm

It ended badly. Read his Historia Calamatium for the details, but lets just say "upset uncle, fruit knife".

Dealing with his, like, work rather than his personal life, it was about as stormy.

His finest achievement was probably developing the Scholastic method of putting the arguments for and against a proposition in the same document, where they could be analysed and the truth teased out of contradictory statements. Howver, the book he did this in - 'Sic et Non' - got him into some trouble with the authorities, as it mixed orthodox and dodgy opinions without giving any judgement on them.

The work that really got him into trouble though was his book 'On The Trinity' ... Bernard of Clairvaux (as in the later Saint Bernard) got really upset at it, it got formally condemned at the Council of Soissons in 1121, and he had to personally burn a copy. The good news is some [[nineteenth century]] German guys found a copy someone had made and stashed ...

OK, so thats the short version of the history of Scholasticism's Stormy Petrel.

Go read his autobiography.

Anton de Stoc
At Politocopolis
14 Novembre

Feel free to edit, update and so on

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	Born in 1079, died in 1142. '''Peter Abelard's''' finest achievement was probably developing the [[~~Scholastic~~]] method of putting the arguments for and against a proposition in the same document, where they could be analysed and the truth teased out of contradictory statements. However, the book he did this in, 'Sic et Non', got him into some trouble with the authorities, as it mixed orthodox and dodgy opinions without giving any judgement on them.		Born in 1079, died in 1142. '''Peter Abelard's''' finest achievement was probably developing the [[scholastic]] method of putting the arguments for and against a proposition in the same document, where they could be analysed and the truth teased out of contradictory statements. However, the book he did this in, 'Sic et Non', got him into some trouble with the authorities, as it mixed orthodox and dodgy opinions without giving any judgement on them.

	The work that really got him into trouble though was his book 'On The Trinity'. Bernard of Clairvaux (as in the later [[Saint Bernard]]) got really upset at it, and it was formally condemned at the Council of Soissons in [[1121]], and Peter Abelard was made to personally burn his copy. Fortunately R. Stolze, a [[19th century]] German guy, found a copy someone had made and stashed, and published it. Many negative things can (and have) been said about 19th ~~Century~~ ~~historians~~, but they did save a lot of good material.		The work that really got him into trouble though was his book 'On The Trinity'. Bernard of Clairvaux (as in the later [[Saint Bernard]]) got really upset at it, and it was formally condemned at the Council of Soissons in [[1121]], and Peter Abelard was made to personally burn his copy. Fortunately R. Stolze, a [[19th century]] German guy, found a copy someone had made and stashed, and published it. Many negative things can (and have) been said about [[19th century]] [[historian]]s, but they did save a lot of good material.

	== His relationship with Heloise ==		== His relationship with Heloise ==
	Peter Abelard is notable for being one of the two best [[Scholastics]] never to get a ~~Sainthood~~. In his case, it was because of his girlfriend Heloise, or more accurately what he got busted doing with his girlfriend Heloise.		Peter Abelard is notable for being one of the two best [[Scholastics]] never to get a [[Saint]]hood. In his case, it was because of his girlfriend Heloise, or more accurately what he got busted doing with his girlfriend Heloise.

	This is what he said about her, in his autobiography, Historia Calamitatum		This is what he said about her, in his autobiography, Historia Calamitatum
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	:In measure as this passionate rapture absorbed me more and more, I devoted ever less time to philosophy and to the work of the school. Indeed it became loathsome to me to go to the school or to linger there; the labour, moreover, was very burdensome, since my nights were vigils of love and my days of study. My lecturing became utterly careless and lukewarm; I did nothing because of inspiration, but everything merely as a matter of habit. I had become nothing more than a reciter of my former discoveries, and though I still wrote poems, they dealt with love, not with the secrets of philosophy. Of these songs you yourself well know how some have become widely known and have been sung in many lands, chiefly, methinks, by those who delighted in the things of this world. As for the sorrow, the groans, the lamentations of my students when they perceived the preoccupation, nay, rather the chaos, of my mind, it is hard even to imagine them.		:In measure as this passionate rapture absorbed me more and more, I devoted ever less time to philosophy and to the work of the school. Indeed it became loathsome to me to go to the school or to linger there; the labour, moreover, was very burdensome, since my nights were vigils of love and my days of study. My lecturing became utterly careless and lukewarm; I did nothing because of inspiration, but everything merely as a matter of habit. I had become nothing more than a reciter of my former discoveries, and though I still wrote poems, they dealt with love, not with the secrets of philosophy. Of these songs you yourself well know how some have become widely known and have been sung in many lands, chiefly, methinks, by those who delighted in the things of this world. As for the sorrow, the groans, the lamentations of my students when they perceived the preoccupation, nay, rather the chaos, of my mind, it is hard even to imagine them.

	Their relationship had issues ; read his Historia Calamatium for the details, but lets just say "upset uncle, fruit knife". The two were almost certainly the medieval equivalent as they named their son [[Astrolabe]]. There has also been a minor controversy recently with a book claiming that most of Abelard's most innovative ideas were first put forward be Heloise.		Their relationship had issues ; read his Historia Calamatium for the details, but lets just say "upset uncle, fruit knife". The two were almost certainly the [[medieval]] equivalent as they named their son [[Astrolabe]]. There has also been a minor controversy recently with a book claiming that most of Abelard's most innovative ideas were first put forward be Heloise.

	Dealing with his, like, work rather than his personal life, it was about as stormy.		Dealing with his, like, work rather than his personal life, it was about as stormy.
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	== Attribution ==		== Attribution ==
	This article is based on an original article by [[Anton de Stoc]], you can find a copy of the [http://www.sca.org.au/cunnan/wiki.phtml?title=Peter_Abelard&oldid=2430 original in the article's history].		This article is based on an original article by [[Anton de Stoc]], you can find a copy of the [http://www.sca.org.au/cunnan/wiki.phtml?title=Peter_Abelard&oldid=2430 original in the article's history].
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