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	==History of the poem==		==History of the poem==

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	Maniesier & Gerbert wrote c1230, probably independantly. Probably the two continutations both provided full endings, but Gerbert's was cut out so the two could be merged together to make a longer story. Both appear to have read "Perlesvaus" and "the quest of the holy grail" as they borrow extensively from them.		Maniesier & Gerbert wrote c1230, probably independantly. Probably the two continutations both provided full endings, but Gerbert's was cut out so the two could be merged together to make a longer story. Both appear to have read "Perlesvaus" and "the quest of the holy grail" as they borrow extensively from them.

	==~~plot~~==		==Plot==
	===[[Cretien de Troyes]] unfinished work===		===[[Cretien de Troyes]] unfinished work===
	Perceval, a young welshman meets some knights and wishes to become one. His mother has prevented him from ever seeing any knights because she fears he will be killed like his father and brothers. Perceval leaves for the court of [[King Arthur]] and his mother dies of grief.		Perceval, a young welshman meets some knights and wishes to become one. His mother has prevented him from ever seeing any knights because she fears he will be killed like his father and brothers. Perceval leaves for the court of [[King Arthur]] and his mother dies of grief.
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	==Translations:==		==Translations:==
	*Cretien de Troyes, Nigel Bryant (trans), 1982, "Perceval; The Story of the Grail" D.S.Brewer, Woodbridge. ISBN 0261-9814<br>		*Cretien de Troyes, Nigel Bryant (trans), 1982, "Perceval; The Story of the Grail" D.S.Brewer, Woodbridge. ISBN 0261-9814<br>
	~~translation~~ method: Retells as a story in prose, but as paragraphs, not necesarily line by line with text, and defiantely not presented as lines. No original text appended. Briefer synopses provided for some sections of the continuations		Translation method: Retells as a story in prose, but as paragraphs, not necesarily line by line with text, and defiantely not presented as lines. No original text appended. Briefer synopses provided for some sections of the continuations
	translates MS fonds francais 12576		translates MS fonds francais 12576
	Explainatory notes very brief, but translated material extrodinarily long		Explainatory notes very brief, but translated material extrodinarily long
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			==History of the poem==
			''Le Roman de Perceval'' is an [[Arthurian romance]] by [[Chretien de Troyes]]. It is known by various names: Le Roman de Perceval, The story of Pervceval, the Story of the Grail, Perceval le Gallois, Le Roman de Perceval ou le Conte du Graal and most commmonly in shorthand as simply Perceval, or [[Chretien de Troyes]]' Perceval to distinguish it from versions by other authours.

			Chretien probably started writing in the 1180's - the book is dedicated to [[Count Phillip of Flanders ]] who died in 1191. However the story remained unfinished, presumably interupted by Chretien's death, as stated by Gerbert de Montreuil (authour of a continution of the work). It is generally accepted that [[Chretien de Troyes]] died in around the year 1185. After [[Chretien de Troyes]]' death, the work was continued by 3 different authours.
	'''Le Roman de Perceval''' is an [[Arthurian romance]] by [[Chretien de Troyes]].

		⚫	feels longer than many of Chretiens other romances, even in unfinshed form - check - probably because follows the story of 2 knights - perceval and Gawain. Possibly intended to contrast the experienced older knight with the young new knight.
	probably started in 1180's - dedicated to [[Count Phillip of Flanders ]] who died in 1191.
	unfinished, presumably by his death as stated by Gerbert de Montreuil (continution authour). Generally accepted he died around 1185.

			The story of Perceval exists toady in 15 manuscripts, this large number testifying to the popularity of the tale. None of the manuscripts date from the late 12th C, but several are copies dating from early in the 2nd half of the [[13th Century]]. MS fonds francais 12576, Bibliotheque Nationale, Paris only copy of the manuscript with all continuations and no missing folios.
⚫	feels longer than many of ~~cretiens~~ other romances, even in unfinshed form - check - probably because follows the story of 2 knights - perceval and Gawain. Possibly intended to contrast the experienced older knight with the young new knight.

			[[Chretien de Troyes]]' work also inspired later versions of the tale of Perceval and the Grail, not only in french but in German.

			The story of Perceval was composed in [[octosyllabic rhyming couplets]] a common form of writing in [[Old French]] literature and especially romances.
	exists in 15 manuscripts, early in the 2nd half of the 13th C
	MS fonds francais 12576, Bibliotheque Nationale, Paris only one with all continuations and no missing folios

		⚫	===The Continuations===
	octosylabic rhyming couplets
			[[Chretien de Troyes]]' work, which was left unfinished, was continued by 4 authors:
			*the authour of the first continuation remains anonymous
		⚫	* the second authour's name varies greatly between different manuscripts. Gautier de Denst is one spelling/form of his name.
			*the third continuation was written by Manessier
		⚫	*the author of the so-called fourth continuation names himself Gerbert, modern academics connect this with 13th C author of romances [[Gerbert de Montreuil]].

		⚫	Although the fourth Continuation is so named, in MS fonds francais 12576
⚫	==The Continuations==
	Continued by 3 authors-
⚫	~~2nd~~ authour's name varies greatly between manuscripts. Gautier de Denst is one.

⚫	~~4th~~ Continuation, so named, ~~but~~ in MS fonds francais 12576
⚫	author names himself Gerbert, modern academics connect this with 13th C author of romances [[Gerbert de Montreuil]].

	Maniesier & Gerbert wrote c1230, probably independantly. Probably the two continutations both provided full endings, but ~~Gerberts~~ was cut out so the two could be merged together to make a longer story. Both appear to have read "Perlesvaus" and "~~teh~~ quest of the holy grail" as they borrow extensively from them.		Maniesier & Gerbert wrote c1230, probably independantly. Probably the two continutations both provided full endings, but Gerbert's was cut out so the two could be merged together to make a longer story. Both appear to have read "Perlesvaus" and "the quest of the holy grail" as they borrow extensively from them.

	==plot==		==plot==
	===[[Cretien de Troyes]] unfinished work===		===[[Cretien de Troyes]] unfinished work===
			Perceval, a young welshman meets some knights and wishes to become one. His mother has prevented him from ever seeing any knights because she fears he will be killed like his father and brothers. Perceval leaves for the court of [[King Arthur]] and his mother dies of grief.

			Perceval asks [[King Arthur]] for the armss of a knight with a red shield and Arthur's senechal [[Kay]] jokes that he should take them. Not knowing any better, Perceval kills the red knight (the red knight started the fight) and takes the arms and armour. A nobleman called Gourmant teaches Perceval how to use the arms, for which Perceval show extrodinary talent, and advises him to say nothing is better than to prove your ignorance.

			Perceval rides out seeking adventure and rides into the hall of the [[Fisher King]] and sees a strange procession carrying a lance whose head bleeds continually, a grail (a large cup shaped vessel for serving food, especially fish) and a silver platter. Perceval fails to ask about these objects and thus fails to be able to heal the Fisher King.

			Meanwhile [[Gawain]], [[King Arthur]]'s nephew and heir and knight of the round table...

	==="1st Continuation" - anonymous===		==="1st Continuation" - anonymous===

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	by [[Chretien de Troyes]]		'''Le Roman de Perceval''' is an [[Arthurian romance]] by [[Chretien de Troyes]].

	probably started in 1180's - dedicated to [[Count Phillip of Flanders ]] who died in 1191.		probably started in 1180's - dedicated to [[Count Phillip of Flanders ]] who died in 1191.
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	===[[Cretien de Troyes]] unfinished work===		===[[Cretien de Troyes]] unfinished work===

	==="1st Continuation" - anonymous==		==="1st Continuation" - anonymous===

	==="2nd Continuation" - varied attributions==		==="2nd Continuation" - varied attributions===


	==="3rd Continuation - Manesier==		==="3rd Continuation - Manesier===


	==="4th Continuation - [[Gerbert de Montreuil]]==		==="4th Continuation - [[Gerbert de Montreuil]]===



	==~~translations~~:==		==Translations:==
	*Cretien de Troyes, Nigel Bryant (trans), 1982, "Perceval; The Story of the Grail" D.S.Brewer, Woodbridge. ISBN 0261-9814<br>		*Cretien de Troyes, Nigel Bryant (trans), 1982, "Perceval; The Story of the Grail" D.S.Brewer, Woodbridge. ISBN 0261-9814<br>
	translation method: Retells as a story in prose, but as paragraphs, not necesarily line by line with text, and defiantely not presented as lines. No original text appended. Briefer synopses provided for some sections of the continuations		translation method: Retells as a story in prose, but as paragraphs, not necesarily line by line with text, and defiantely not presented as lines. No original text appended. Briefer synopses provided for some sections of the continuations

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by [[Chretien de Troyes]]

probably started in 1180's - dedicated to [[Count Phillip of Flanders ]] who died in 1191.
unfinished, presumably by his death as stated by Gerbert de Montreuil (continution authour). Generally accepted he died around 1185.

feels longer than many of cretiens other romances, even in unfinshed form - check - probably because follows the story of 2 knights - perceval and Gawain. Possibly intended to contrast the experienced older knight with the young new knight.

exists in 15 manuscripts, early in the 2nd half of the 13th C
MS fonds francais 12576, Bibliotheque Nationale, Paris only one with all continuations and no missing folios

octosylabic rhyming couplets

==The Continuations==
Continued by 3 authors-
2nd authour's name varies greatly between manuscripts. Gautier de Denst is one.

4th Continuation, so named, but in MS fonds francais 12576
author names himself Gerbert, modern academics connect this with 13th C author of romances [[Gerbert de Montreuil]].

Maniesier & Gerbert wrote c1230, probably independantly. Probably the two continutations both provided full endings, but Gerberts was cut out so the two could be merged together to make a longer story. Both appear to have read "Perlesvaus" and "teh quest of the holy grail" as they borrow extensively from them.

==plot==
===[[Cretien de Troyes]] unfinished work===

==="1st Continuation" - anonymous==

==="2nd Continuation" - varied attributions==

==="3rd Continuation - Manesier==

==="4th Continuation - [[Gerbert de Montreuil]]==

==translations:==
*Cretien de Troyes, Nigel Bryant (trans), 1982, "Perceval; The Story of the Grail" D.S.Brewer, Woodbridge. ISBN 0261-9814<br>
translation method: Retells as a story in prose, but as paragraphs, not necesarily line by line with text, and defiantely not presented as lines. No original text appended. Briefer synopses provided for some sections of the continuations
translates MS fonds francais 12576
Explainatory notes very brief, but translated material extrodinarily long

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	==History of the poem==		==History of the poem==
	''Le Roman de Perceval'' is an [[Arthurian romance]] by [[Chretien de Troyes]]. It is known by various names: Le Roman de Perceval, The story of Pervceval, the Story of the Grail, Perceval le Gallois, Le Roman de Perceval ou le Conte du Graal and most ~~commmonly~~ in shorthand as simply Perceval, or [[Chretien de Troyes]]' Perceval to distinguish it from versions by other authours.		''Le Roman de Perceval'' is an [[Arthurian romance]] by [[Chretien de Troyes]]. It is known by various names: ''Le Roman de Perceval'', ''The story of Pervceval'', ''the Story of the Grail'', ''Perceval le Gallois'', ''Le Roman de Perceval ou le Conte du Graal'' and most commonly in shorthand as simply ''Perceval'', or [[Chretien de Troyes]]' ''Perceval'' to distinguish it from versions by other authours.

	Chretien probably started writing in the 1180's - the book is dedicated to [[Count Phillip of Flanders ]] who died in 1191. However the story remained unfinished, presumably ~~interupted~~ by Chretien's death, as stated by Gerbert de Montreuil (~~authour~~ of a ~~continution~~ of the work). It is generally accepted that [[Chretien de Troyes]] died in around the year 1185. After [[Chretien de Troyes]]' death, the work was continued by 3 different ~~authours~~.		Chretien probably started writing in the 1180's - the book is dedicated to [[Count Phillip of Flanders ]] who died in 1191. However the story remained unfinished, presumably interrupted by Chretien's death, as stated by Gerbert de Montreuil (author of a continuation of the work). It is generally accepted that [[Chretien de Troyes]] died in around the year 1185. After [[Chretien de Troyes]]' death, the work was continued by 3 different authors.

	feels longer than many of ~~Chretiens~~ other romances, even in ~~unfinshed~~ form - check - probably because follows the story of 2 ~~knights~~ - ~~perceval~~ and Gawain. Possibly intended to contrast the experienced older knight with the young new knight.		It feels longer than many of Chretien's other romances, even in unfinished form - check - probably because follows the story of 2 [[knight]]s - [[Perceval]] and [[Gawain]]. Possibly intended to contrast the experienced older knight with the young new knight.

	The story of Perceval exists ~~toady~~ in 15 ~~manuscripts~~, this large number testifying to the popularity of the tale. None of the manuscripts date from the late 12th C, but several are copies dating from early in the 2nd half of the [[13th Century]]. MS fonds francais 12576, Bibliotheque Nationale, Paris only copy of the manuscript with all continuations and no missing folios.		The story of Perceval exists today in 15 [[manuscript]]s, this large number testifying to the popularity of the tale. None of the manuscripts date from the late 12th C, but several are copies dating from early in the 2nd half of the [[13th Century]]. ''MS fonds francais 12576, Bibliotheque Nationale, Paris'' is the only copy of the manuscript with all continuations and no missing folios.

	[[Chretien de Troyes]]' work also inspired later versions of the tale of Perceval and the Grail, not only in ~~french~~ but in German.		[[Chretien de Troyes]]' work also inspired later versions of the tale of Perceval and the [[Grail]], not only in [[French]] but in [[German]].

	The story of Perceval was composed in [[octosyllabic rhyming couplets]] a common form of writing in [[Old French]] literature and especially romances.		The story of Perceval was composed in [[octosyllabic rhyming couplets]] a common form of [[writing]] in [[Old French]] [[literature]] and especially romances.

	===The Continuations===		===The Continuations===
	[[Chretien de Troyes]]' work, which was left unfinished, was continued by 4 authors:		[[Chretien de Troyes]]' work, which was left unfinished, was continued by 4 authors:
	*the ~~authour~~ of the first continuation remains anonymous		*the author of the first continuation remains anonymous
	* the second ~~authour~~'s name varies greatly between different manuscripts. Gautier de Denst is one spelling/form of his name.		* the second author's name varies greatly between different manuscripts. Gautier de Denst is one spelling/form of his name.
	*the third continuation was written by Manessier		*the third continuation was written by Manessier
	*the author of the so-called fourth continuation names himself Gerbert, modern academics connect this with 13th C author of romances [[Gerbert de Montreuil]].		*the author of the so-called fourth continuation names himself Gerbert, modern academics connect this with [[13th century]] author of romances [[Gerbert de Montreuil]].

	Although the fourth Continuation is so named, in MS fonds francais 12576		Although the fourth Continuation is so named, in ''MS fonds francais 12576''

		⚫	Maniesier & Gerbert wrote c1230, probably independently. Probably the two continuations both provided full endings, but Gerbert's was cut out so the two could be merged together to make a longer story. Both appear to have read "Perlesvaus" and "the quest of the holy grail" as they borrow extensively from them.

⚫	Maniesier & Gerbert wrote c1230, probably ~~independantly~~. Probably the two ~~continutations~~ both provided full endings, but Gerbert's was cut out so the two could be merged together to make a longer story. Both appear to have read "Perlesvaus" and "the quest of the holy grail" as they borrow extensively from them.

	==Plot==		==Plot==
	===[[Cretien de Troyes]] unfinished work===		===[[Cretien de Troyes]] unfinished work===
	Perceval, a young ~~welshman~~ meets some knights and wishes to become one. His mother has prevented him from ever seeing any knights because she fears he will be killed like his father and brothers. Perceval leaves for the court of [[King Arthur]] and his mother dies of grief.		[[Perceval]], a young [[Wales\|Welshman]] meets some knights and wishes to become one. His mother has prevented him from ever seeing any knights because she fears he will be killed like his father and brothers. Perceval leaves for the [[court]] of [[King Arthur]] and his mother dies of grief.

	Perceval asks [[King Arthur]] for the ~~armss~~ of a knight with a red shield and Arthur's ~~senechal~~ [[Kay]] jokes that he should take them. Not knowing any better, Perceval kills the red knight (the red knight started the fight) and takes the arms and armour. A nobleman called Gourmant teaches Perceval how to use the arms, for which Perceval show ~~extrodinary~~ talent, and advises him to say nothing is better than to prove your ignorance.		Perceval asks [[King Arthur]] for the arms of a knight with a red [[shield]] and Arthur's [[seneschal]] [[Kay]] jokes that he should take them. Not knowing any better, Perceval kills the red knight (the red knight started the fight) and takes the [[arms]] and [[armour]]. A [[nobleman]] called Gourmant teaches Perceval how to use the arms, for which Perceval show extraordinary talent, and advises him to say nothing is better than to prove your ignorance.

	Perceval rides out seeking adventure and rides into the hall of the [[Fisher King]] and sees a strange procession carrying a lance whose head bleeds continually, a grail (a large cup shaped vessel for serving food, especially fish) and a silver platter. Perceval fails to ask about these objects and thus fails to be able to heal the Fisher King.		Perceval rides out seeking adventure and rides into the hall of the [[Fisher King]] and sees a strange procession carrying a [[lance]] whose head bleeds continually, a [[grail]] (a large cup shaped vessel for serving [[food]], especially [[fish]]) and a [[silver]] platter. Perceval fails to ask about these objects and thus fails to be able to heal the Fisher King.

	Meanwhile [[Gawain]], [[King Arthur]]'s nephew and heir and knight of the ~~round~~ ~~table~~...		Meanwhile [[Gawain]], [[King Arthur]]'s nephew and [[heir]] and knight of the [[Round Table]]...

	==="1st Continuation" - anonymous===		==="1st Continuation" - anonymous===

	==="2nd Continuation" - varied attributions===		==="2nd Continuation" - varied attributions===


	==="3rd Continuation - Manesier===		==="3rd Continuation - Manesier===


	==="4th Continuation - [[Gerbert de Montreuil]]===		==="4th Continuation - [[Gerbert de Montreuil]]===



	==Translations:==		==Translations:==
	*Cretien de Troyes, Nigel Bryant (trans), 1982, "Perceval; The Story of the Grail" D.S.Brewer, Woodbridge. ISBN 0261-9814<br>		*Cretien de Troyes, Nigel Bryant (trans), 1982, "Perceval; The Story of the Grail" D.S.Brewer, Woodbridge. ISBN 0261-9814<br>
	Translation method: Retells as a story in prose, but as paragraphs, not necesarily line by line with text, and ~~defiantely~~ not presented as lines. No original text appended. Briefer synopses provided for some sections of the continuations		:Translation method: Retells as a story in prose, but as paragraphs, not necesarily line by line with text, and definately not presented as lines. No original text appended. Briefer synopses provided for some sections of the continuations
	translates MS fonds francais 12576		:translates MS fonds francais 12576
	~~Explainatory~~ notes very brief, but translated material ~~extrodinarily~~ long		:Explanatory notes very brief, but translated material extraordinarily long

	[[category:12th century]]		[[category:12th century]]
	[[category:King Arthur]]		[[category:King Arthur]]