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		It could be argued one way or the other as to whether there was a link between [[Humanism]] and the [[Reformation]].

		Here is one line of thought:

		The aim of the [[Humanists]] was to promote the unhampered intellectual development of [[man]], who was able to perfect himself through the study of the [[ancient]]s, the [[classical]] world, and by observation of the [[natural]] world. This was in opposition to the [[scholastics]], and to the more [[conservative]] teachings of the [[catholic church]], which promoted the [[infallibility]] of the [[pope]], the inability of [[man]] to comprehend the works of [[God]], etc.

		Prior to, say, [[1517]], there were [[reformers]] within the [[Catholic]] church. Not only were there the radical [[reformers]] such as the [[Lollard]]s and the [[Hussite]]s but at the other end of the scale there were the so-called "[[renaissance]] [[pope]]s" beginning with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Nicholas_V Nicholas V].

		After [[1517]] there was a radical change -- [[Martin Luther]] nailed up his 95 theses, and the [[Reformation]] was on for young and old.

		The problem is that by [[1517]] the [[scholastics]] had pretty much dried up and blown away. The superior intellectual development of the [[humanists]] had lead to [[humanism]] becoming the dominant movement throughout Europe.

		Now most of the leading [[reformers]] and many (but not all) of the leading [[humanists]] left the [[Catholic church]] and went over to the [[Protestant]]s -- [[Martin Luther]] et al. A case in point is one of the leading [[Humanists]] of the period -- [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwingli Zwingli] who lead the [[Swiss]] [[reformation]].

		The [[Scholasticism]]/[[Humanism]] divide didn't always flow over onto the Catholic/Reformed debate - [[Italy]] was pretty darn Humanist, and stayed pretty darn Catholic, and of course there were others such as the numero uno humanist of the day, [[Erasmus]], who remained [[Catholic]].

		So the debate which had been raging for a hundred years or more changed in nature and character, but was essentially the same debate -- the thinking man vs the [[Catholic Church]] establishment, and may or may not have involved the same people on each side.

		Having said that the [[Reformation]] did not attract all of the [[Humanists]], you also have to say that it certainly didn't attract any of the few remaining [[scholastics]]!

		Of course there were real close links between the Gallician program of, say, either the court-centered [[Wyclif Knights]] or the pre-Humanist [[John of Paris]] (esp [[On Royal and Papal Power]]) and the program of [[Martin Luther]].
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	It could be argued one way or the other as to whether there was a link between [[Humanism]] and the [[Reformation]].

	Here is one line of thought:

	The aim of the [[Humanists]] was to promote the unhampered intellectual development of [[man]], who was able to perfect himself through the study of the [[ancient]]s, the [[classical]] world, and by observation of the [[natural]] world. This was in opposition to the [[scholastics]], and to the more [[conservative]] teachings of the [[catholic church]], which promoted the [[infallibility]] of the [[pope]], the inability of [[man]] to comprehend the works of [[God]], etc.

	Prior to, say, [[1517]], there were [[reformers]] within the [[Catholic]] church. Not only were there the radical [[reformers]] such as the [[Lollard]]s and the [[Hussite]]s but at the other end of the scale there were the so-called "[[renaissance]] [[pope]]s" beginning with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Nicholas_V Nicholas V].

	After [[1517]] there was a radical change -- [[Martin Luther]] nailed up his 95 theses, and the [[Reformation]] was on for young and old.

	The problem is that by [[1517]] the [[scholastics]] had pretty much dried up and blown away. The superior intellectual development of the [[humanists]] had lead to [[humanism]] becoming the dominant movement throughout Europe.

	Now most of the leading [[reformers]] and many (but not all) of the leading [[humanists]] left the [[Catholic church]] and went over to the [[Protestant]]s -- [[Martin Luther]] et al. A case in point is one of the leading [[Humanists]] of the period -- [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwingli Zwingli] who lead the [[Swiss]] [[reformation]].

	The [[Scholasticism]]/[[Humanism]] divide didn't always flow over onto the Catholic/Reformed debate - [[Italy]] was pretty darn Humanist, and stayed pretty darn Catholic, and of course there were others such as the numero uno humanist of the day, [[Erasmus]], who remained [[Catholic]].

	So the debate which had been raging for a hundred years or more changed in nature and character, but was essentially the same debate -- the thinking man vs the [[Catholic Church]] establishment, and may or may not have involved the same people on each side.

	Having said that the [[Reformation]] did not attract all of the [[Humanists]], you also have to say that it certainly didn't attract any of the few remaining [[scholastics]]!

	Of course there were real close links between the Gallician program of, say, either the court-centered [[Wyclif Knights]] or the pre-Humanist [[John of Paris]] (esp [[On Royal and Papal Power]]) and the program of [[Martin Luther]].
	[[category:sciences]]

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	Of course there were real close links between the Gallician program of, say, either the court-centered [[Wyclif Knights]] or the pre-Humanist [[John of Paris]] (esp [[On Royal and Papal Power]]) and the program of [[Martin Luther]].		Of course there were real close links between the Gallician program of, say, either the court-centered [[Wyclif Knights]] or the pre-Humanist [[John of Paris]] (esp [[On Royal and Papal Power]]) and the program of [[Martin Luther]].
			[[category:sciences]]

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	The [[Scholasticism]]/[[Humanism]] divide didn't always flow over onto the Catholic/Reformed debate - [[Italy]] was pretty darn Humanist, and stayed pretty darn Catholic, and of course there were others such as the numero uno humanist of the day, [[Erasmus]], who remained [[Catholic]].		The [[Scholasticism]]/[[Humanism]] divide didn't always flow over onto the Catholic/Reformed debate - [[Italy]] was pretty darn Humanist, and stayed pretty darn Catholic, and of course there were others such as the numero uno humanist of the day, [[Erasmus]], who remained [[Catholic]].

	So the debate which had been raging for a hundred years or more changed in nature and character, but was essentially the same debate -- man vs ~~God~~, and may or may not have involved the same people on each side.		So the debate which had been raging for a hundred years or more changed in nature and character, but was essentially the same debate -- the thinking man vs the [[Catholic Church]] establishment, and may or may not have involved the same people on each side.

	Having said that the [[Reformation]] did not attract all of the [[Humanists]], you also have to say that it certainly didn't attract any of the few remaining [[scholastics]]!		Having said that the [[Reformation]] did not attract all of the [[Humanists]], you also have to say that it certainly didn't attract any of the few remaining [[scholastics]]!

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	The aim of the [[Humanists]] was to promote the unhampered intellectual development of [[man]], who was able to perfect himself through the study of the [[ancient]]s, the [[classical]] world, and by observation of the [[natural]] world. This was in opposition to the [[scholastics]], and to the more [[conservative]] teachings of the [[catholic church]], which promoted the [[infallibility]] of the [[pope]], the inability of [[man]] to comprehend the works of [[God]], etc.		The aim of the [[Humanists]] was to promote the unhampered intellectual development of [[man]], who was able to perfect himself through the study of the [[ancient]]s, the [[classical]] world, and by observation of the [[natural]] world. This was in opposition to the [[scholastics]], and to the more [[conservative]] teachings of the [[catholic church]], which promoted the [[infallibility]] of the [[pope]], the inability of [[man]] to comprehend the works of [[God]], etc.

	Prior to, say, [[1517]], there were [[reformers]] within the [[Catholic]] church. Not only were there the radical [[reformers]] such as the [[Lollard]]s and the [[Hussite]]s but at the other end of the scale there were the so-called "[[renaissance]] [[pope]]s" beginning with [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Nicholas_V Nicholas V].		Prior to, say, [[1517]], there were [[reformers]] within the [[Catholic]] church. Not only were there the radical [[reformers]] such as the [[Lollard]]s and the [[Hussite]]s but at the other end of the scale there were the so-called "[[renaissance]] [[pope]]s" beginning with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Nicholas_V Nicholas V].

	After [[1517]] there was a radical change -- [[Martin Luther]] nailed up his 95 theses, and the [[Reformation]] was on for young and old.		After [[1517]] there was a radical change -- [[Martin Luther]] nailed up his 95 theses, and the [[Reformation]] was on for young and old.

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	It could be argued one way as to whether there was a link between ~~the~~ [[~~Humanists~~]] and the [[Reformation]].		It could be argued one way or the other as to whether there was a link between [[Humanism]] and the [[Reformation]].

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	Having said that the [[Reformation]] did not attract all of the [[Humanists]], you also have to say that it certainly didn't attract any of the few remaining [[scholastics]]!		Having said that the [[Reformation]] did not attract all of the [[Humanists]], you also have to say that it certainly didn't attract any of the few remaining [[scholastics]]!

	Of course there were real close links between the Gallician program of, say, either the court-centered [[Wyclif Knights]] or the pre-Humanist [[John of Paris]] (esp 'On Royal and Papal Power') and the program of [[Martin Luther]].		Of course there were real close links between the Gallician program of, say, either the court-centered [[Wyclif Knights]] or the pre-Humanist [[John of Paris]] (esp [[On Royal and Papal Power]]) and the program of [[Martin Luther]].

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It could be argued one way as to whether there was a link between the [[Humanists]] and the [[Reformation]].

Here is one line of thought:

The aim of the [[Humanists]] was to promote the unhampered intellectual development of [[man]], who was able to perfect himself through the study of the [[ancient]]s, the [[classical]] world, and by observation of the [[natural]] world. This was in opposition to the [[scholastics]], and to the more [[conservative]] teachings of the [[catholic church]], which promoted the [[infallibility]] of the [[pope]], the inability of [[man]] to comprehend the works of [[God]], etc.

Prior to, say, [[1517]], there were [[reformers]] within the [[Catholic]] church. Not only were there the radical [[reformers]] such as the [[Lollard]]s and the [[Hussite]]s but at the other end of the scale there were the so-called "[[renaissance]] [[pope]]s" beginning with [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Nicholas_V Nicholas V].

After [[1517]] there was a radical change -- [[Martin Luther]] nailed up his 95 theses, and the [[Reformation]] was on for young and old.

The problem is that by [[1517]] the [[scholastics]] had pretty much dried up and blown away. The superior intellectual development of the [[humanists]] had lead to [[humanism]] becoming the dominant movement throughout Europe.

Now most of the leading [[reformers]] and many (but not all) of the leading [[humanists]] left the [[Catholic church]] and went over to the [[Protestant]]s -- [[Martin Luther]] et al. A case in point is one of the leading [[Humanists]] of the period -- [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwingli Zwingli] who lead the [[Swiss]] [[reformation]].

The [[Scholasticism]]/[[Humanism]] divide didn't always flow over onto the Catholic/Reformed debate - [[Italy]] was pretty darn Humanist, and stayed pretty darn Catholic, and of course there were others such as the numero uno humanist of the day, [[Erasmus]], who remained [[Catholic]].

So the debate which had been raging for a hundred years or more changed in nature and character, but was essentially the same debate -- man vs God, and may or may not have involved the same people on each side.

Having said that the [[Reformation]] did not attract all of the [[Humanists]], you also have to say that it certainly didn't attract any of the few remaining [[scholastics]]!

Of course there were real close links between the Gallician program of, say, either the court-centered [[Wyclif Knights]] or the pre-Humanist [[John of Paris]] (esp 'On Royal and Papal Power') and the program of [[Martin Luther]].