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Grail Hide and Seek

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	* at [[Glastonbury]] (as proved by the fact that the water from a spring there ran blood-red)		* at [[Glastonbury]] (as proved by the fact that the water from a spring there ran blood-red)
	* somewhere in [[Britain]], being a small cup rescued from Christ's tomb by [[Empress]] Helena of [[Rome]], and removed to Britain when the [[Visigoth]]s threatened the city early in the [[5th century]] (This is not supposed to be the Last Supper cup, but one used by the Magdalene to catch [[Jesus]]' blood at the [[Cross]]).		* somewhere in [[Britain]], being a small cup rescued from Christ's tomb by [[Empress]] Helena of [[Rome]], and removed to Britain when the [[Visigoth]]s threatened the city early in the [[5th century]] (This is not supposed to be the Last Supper cup, but one used by the Magdalene to catch [[Jesus]]' blood at the [[Cross]]).
	* in [[Wales]], in Strata Florida Abbey, from where the [[monk]]s removed it at the Reformation, to escape [[Henry VIII]]'s commissioners, and hidden again at Nanteos House.		* in [[Wales]], in Strata Florida Abbey, from where the [[monk]]s removed it at the Reformation, to escape [[Henry VIII]]'s commissioners, and hidden again at Nanteos House (although recent research is supposed to have dated the Nanteos Cup to ''circa'' 1400CE).
	* somewhere within or below the extravagant [[chapel]] at Roslin, in [[Scotland]], supposedly removed there by the [[Templar]]s and entrusted to the Scottish Sinclair (or ''Saint Clair'') family, who built the chapel. (More recently a theory has been propounded that the Sinclairs moved it, with other Templar treasures) to Oak Island in Nova Scotia. (''Mentioned in case anyone fancies some healthy excavation'')		* somewhere within or below the extravagant [[chapel]] at Roslin, in [[Scotland]], supposedly removed there by the [[Templar]]s and entrusted to the Scottish Sinclair (or ''Saint Clair'') family, who built the chapel. (More recently a theory has been propounded that the Sinclairs moved it, with other Templar treasures) to Oak Island in Nova Scotia. (''Mentioned in case anyone fancies some healthy excavation'')

Cian: category

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User 144 at 10:42, 21 May 2006

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	* somewhere within or below the extravagant [[chapel]] at Roslin, in [[Scotland]], supposedly removed there by the [[Templar]]s and entrusted to the Scottish Sinclair (or ''Saint Clair'') family, who built the chapel. (More recently a theory has been propounded that the Sinclairs moved it, with other Templar treasures) to Oak Island in Nova Scotia. (''Mentioned in case anyone fancies some healthy excavation'')		* somewhere within or below the extravagant [[chapel]] at Roslin, in [[Scotland]], supposedly removed there by the [[Templar]]s and entrusted to the Scottish Sinclair (or ''Saint Clair'') family, who built the chapel. (More recently a theory has been propounded that the Sinclairs moved it, with other Templar treasures) to Oak Island in Nova Scotia. (''Mentioned in case anyone fancies some healthy excavation'')

	===Other Options==		===Other Options===
	There is also a Holy Face in the cathedral of Lucca in [[Italy]] which is supposed to house cruets of Jesus' sweat and blood.		There is also a Holy Face in the cathedral of Lucca in [[Italy]] which is supposed to house cruets of Jesus' sweat and blood.

User 144 at 10:41, 21 May 2006

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	* a green [[glass]] dish, possibly [[Egypt]]ian in origin, taken by [[Genoa\|Genoese]] [[crusader]]s from the mosque at Caesarea around 1101, later plundered by Napoleon, and returned broken.		* a green [[glass]] dish, possibly [[Egypt]]ian in origin, taken by [[Genoa\|Genoese]] [[crusader]]s from the mosque at Caesarea around 1101, later plundered by Napoleon, and returned broken.
	* a cup of [[agate]] given to King Martin of [[Aragon]] around 1399, and later supposed to have been brought by [[St. Peter]] to [[Rome]], and then transferred to a [[Spain\|Spanish]] [[monastery]], sent there by [[Pope]] [[Sixtus II]] in the care of [[Saint]] Laurence.		* a cup of [[agate]] given to King Martin of [[Aragon]] around 1399, and later supposed to have been brought by [[St. Peter]] to [[Rome]], and then transferred to a [[Spain\|Spanish]] [[monastery]], sent there by [[Pope]] [[Sixtus II]] in the care of [[Saint]] Laurence.
	===Grail Hide and Seek==		==Grail Hide and Seek==
	The vessel was also, at different times and in different versions, supposed to be hidden		The vessel was also, at different times and in different versions, supposed to be hidden
	* at [[Glastonbury]] (as proved by the fact that the water from a spring there ran blood-red)		* at [[Glastonbury]] (as proved by the fact that the water from a spring there ran blood-red)

User 144: categorising

2006-05-21T10:41:06Z

categorising

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	The '''Holy Grail''' is supposedly either the chalice or cup with which [[Jesus Christ]] served his apostles at the Last Supper, or the dish, [[cup]], [[plate]] or other vessel used to catch his blood at the Crucifixion. The [[Bible]] ([[Gospel]]s, Acts, [[Epistle]]s and Revelation) made no especial reference to it, but [[legend]]s and [[mythology\|myths]] sprang up around it.		The '''Holy Grail''' is supposedly either the chalice or cup with which [[Jesus Christ]] served his apostles at the Last Supper, or the dish, [[cup]], [[plate]] or other vessel used to catch his blood at the Crucifixion. The [[Bible]] ([[Gospel]]s, Acts, [[Epistle]]s and Revelation) made no especial reference to it, but [[legend]]s and [[mythology\|myths]] sprang up around it.

			==Grail Legends==
	In the tales of the [[King Arthur\|Arthurian]] cycle, the Grail came to have a central place, as the subject of the greatest [[Quest]] the [[knight]]s would essay. It was linked with another mythic figure, that of the [[Fisher King]] and made to be the means by which the [[King]] might be healed of his wound and his land of its sympathetic barrenness.		In the tales of the [[King Arthur\|Arthurian]] cycle, the Grail came to have a central place, as the subject of the greatest [[Quest]] the [[knight]]s would essay. It was linked with another mythic figure, that of the [[Fisher King]] and made to be the means by which the [[King]] might be healed of his wound and his land of its sympathetic barrenness.

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	Joseph of Arimathea was supposed to have brought it to [[Britain]], to [[Glastonbury]] first, from where it was taken to ''Corbenic'', to the custody of his daughter Anna, and her husband, Brons, who began a line of guardians. The whereabouts of Corbenic were lost, but in Arthur's time (the story went), the prophecy was raised that the Grail might be found by the best knight. Many knights proposed themselves for that honour. It belonged, in the event, to [[Galahad]], son of [[Lancelot]], and the most sinless of all Arthur's knights. He found it, in a Chapel, and he and it were lifted up to heaven.		Joseph of Arimathea was supposed to have brought it to [[Britain]], to [[Glastonbury]] first, from where it was taken to ''Corbenic'', to the custody of his daughter Anna, and her husband, Brons, who began a line of guardians. The whereabouts of Corbenic were lost, but in Arthur's time (the story went), the prophecy was raised that the Grail might be found by the best knight. Many knights proposed themselves for that honour. It belonged, in the event, to [[Galahad]], son of [[Lancelot]], and the most sinless of all Arthur's knights. He found it, in a Chapel, and he and it were lifted up to heaven.

			==Grail Origins==
	The actual use of the word ''grail'' dates from the works of Robert de Boron -- ''Roman de l'Estoire dou Graal'' -- and [[Chretien de Troyes]], especially his unfinished ''Perceval''. But references appear, from the late [[5th century]] onwards, specifically to the chalice of the Last Supper.		The actual use of the word ''grail'' dates from the works of Robert de Boron -- ''Roman de l'Estoire dou Graal'' -- and [[Chretien de Troyes]], especially his unfinished ''Perceval''. But references appear, from the late [[5th century]] onwards, specifically to the chalice of the Last Supper.

	An alternative eastern tradition made the Grail a "stone that fell from heaven". Wolfram von Esenbach, in his ''Parzifal'' reports this version, citing as sources a book given or lent to him by Philip, [[Duke]] of [[Flanders]], who had been in the [[Holy Land]] in the 1170s, and information from one Kyot of [[Provence]], who had provided additional details.		An alternative eastern tradition made the Grail a "stone that fell from heaven". Wolfram von Esenbach, in his ''Parzifal'' reports this version, citing as sources a book given or lent to him by Philip, [[Duke]] of [[Flanders]], who had been in the [[Holy Land]] in the 1170s, and information from one Kyot of [[Provence]], who had provided additional details.

	==== Candidiates ====		== Grail Form Candidiates ==
	According to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_grail Wikipedia] the [[Middle Ages]] had four outstanding candidates:		According to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_grail Wikipedia] the [[Middle Ages]] had four outstanding candidates:
	* a large two-handled [[silver]] chalice, seen by the [[Frank]]ish [[bishop]] Arculf (possibly of Perigueux) in the [[7th century]] in a chapel of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in [[Jerusalem]]. After this one reference, this chalice disappears from history.		* a large two-handled [[silver]] chalice, seen by the [[Frank]]ish [[bishop]] Arculf (possibly of Perigueux) in the [[7th century]] in a chapel of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in [[Jerusalem]]. After this one reference, this chalice disappears from history.
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	* a green [[glass]] dish, possibly [[Egypt]]ian in origin, taken by [[Genoa\|Genoese]] [[crusader]]s from the mosque at Caesarea around 1101, later plundered by Napoleon, and returned broken.		* a green [[glass]] dish, possibly [[Egypt]]ian in origin, taken by [[Genoa\|Genoese]] [[crusader]]s from the mosque at Caesarea around 1101, later plundered by Napoleon, and returned broken.
	* a cup of [[agate]] given to King Martin of [[Aragon]] around 1399, and later supposed to have been brought by [[St. Peter]] to [[Rome]], and then transferred to a [[Spain\|Spanish]] [[monastery]], sent there by [[Pope]] [[Sixtus II]] in the care of [[Saint]] Laurence.		* a cup of [[agate]] given to King Martin of [[Aragon]] around 1399, and later supposed to have been brought by [[St. Peter]] to [[Rome]], and then transferred to a [[Spain\|Spanish]] [[monastery]], sent there by [[Pope]] [[Sixtus II]] in the care of [[Saint]] Laurence.
			===Grail Hide and Seek==

	The vessel was also, at different times and in different versions, supposed to be hidden		The vessel was also, at different times and in different versions, supposed to be hidden
	* at [[Glastonbury]] (as proved by the fact that the water from a spring there ran blood-red)		* at [[Glastonbury]] (as proved by the fact that the water from a spring there ran blood-red)
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	* somewhere within or below the extravagant [[chapel]] at Roslin, in [[Scotland]], supposedly removed there by the [[Templar]]s and entrusted to the Scottish Sinclair (or ''Saint Clair'') family, who built the chapel. (More recently a theory has been propounded that the Sinclairs moved it, with other Templar treasures) to Oak Island in Nova Scotia. (''Mentioned in case anyone fancies some healthy excavation'')		* somewhere within or below the extravagant [[chapel]] at Roslin, in [[Scotland]], supposedly removed there by the [[Templar]]s and entrusted to the Scottish Sinclair (or ''Saint Clair'') family, who built the chapel. (More recently a theory has been propounded that the Sinclairs moved it, with other Templar treasures) to Oak Island in Nova Scotia. (''Mentioned in case anyone fancies some healthy excavation'')

			===Other Options==
	There is also a Holy Face in the cathedral of Lucca in [[Italy]] which is supposed to house cruets of Jesus' sweat and blood.		There is also a Holy Face in the cathedral of Lucca in [[Italy]] which is supposed to house cruets of Jesus' sweat and blood.

			==Other Religious Connections==
	The connections between the Arthurian Grail stories and the [[Celtic]] school of [[Christianity]] has militated against the acceptance of the legends by the [[Roman Catholic]] [[Church]] -- only the Aragonese cup is acknowledged by them as having even a vestige of a claim toward honest antiquity. All schools of [[Protestant]]ism would, of course, decry the Grail as blatant idolatry.		The connections between the Arthurian Grail stories and the [[Celtic]] school of [[Christianity]] has militated against the acceptance of the legends by the [[Roman Catholic]] [[Church]] -- only the Aragonese cup is acknowledged by them as having even a vestige of a claim toward honest antiquity. All schools of [[Protestant]]ism would, of course, decry the Grail as blatant idolatry.

	==== Supposed powers ====		== Supposed powers ==
	The '''Grail''' was variously supposed to heal all wounds, to be invisible to the non-believer and untouchable by the impure, and (in common with several [[Celt]]ic vessels of [[legend]]) able to feed people with the dish of their choice.		The '''Grail''' was variously supposed to heal all wounds, to be invisible to the non-believer and untouchable by the impure, and (in common with several [[Celt]]ic vessels of [[legend]]) able to feed people with the dish of their choice.

	=== Modern Grail Stories ===		== Modern Grail Stories ==
	~~One~~ of the most readily recognizable Grail stories in modern times is the movie [[Monty Python\|Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail]], which is popular with [[SCAdians]].		Two of the most readily recognizable Grail stories in modern times are the movie [[Monty Python\|Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail]], which is popular with [[SCAdians]] and the Da Vinci Code.

	=== ~~External~~ ~~Links =~~==		==Modern Rational Thought==
		⚫	Modern rationalism has decided that the Grail is and ever was no more than a myth, and that the various material manifestations are but self-aggrandising fakes, buoyed up by esoteric flim-flam.

			== External Links ==
	*[http://www.shroud.it/SCAVONE1.PDF Professor Daniel Scavone]		*[http://www.shroud.it/SCAVONE1.PDF Professor Daniel Scavone]

			[[category:religion]]
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⚫	Modern rationalism has decided that the Grail is and ever was no more than a myth, and that the various material manifestations are but self-aggrandising fakes, buoyed up by esoteric flim-flam.

User 144: link

2006-02-14T11:00:04Z

link

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	The '''Holy Grail''' is supposedly either the chalice or cup with which [[Jesus Christ]] served his apostles at the Last Supper, or the dish, cup, plate or other vessel used to catch his blood at the Crucifixion. The [[Bible]] ([[Gospel]]s, Acts, [[Epistle]]s and Revelation) made no especial reference to it, but [[legend]]s and [[mythology\|myths]] sprang up around it.		The '''Holy Grail''' is supposedly either the chalice or cup with which [[Jesus Christ]] served his apostles at the Last Supper, or the dish, [[cup]], [[plate]] or other vessel used to catch his blood at the Crucifixion. The [[Bible]] ([[Gospel]]s, Acts, [[Epistle]]s and Revelation) made no especial reference to it, but [[legend]]s and [[mythology\|myths]] sprang up around it.

	In the tales of the [[King Arthur\|Arthurian]] cycle, the Grail came to have a central place, as the subject of the greatest [[Quest]] the [[knight]]s would essay. It was linked with another mythic figure, that of the [[Fisher King]] and made to be the means by which the [[King]] might be healed of his wound and his land of its sympathetic barrenness.		In the tales of the [[King Arthur\|Arthurian]] cycle, the Grail came to have a central place, as the subject of the greatest [[Quest]] the [[knight]]s would essay. It was linked with another mythic figure, that of the [[Fisher King]] and made to be the means by which the [[King]] might be healed of his wound and his land of its sympathetic barrenness.

Paul Matisz at 14:36, 14 October 2005

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	One of the most readily recognizable Grail stories in modern times is the movie [[Monty Python\|Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail]], which is popular with [[SCAdians]].		One of the most readily recognizable Grail stories in modern times is the movie [[Monty Python\|Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail]], which is popular with [[SCAdians]].

	==== External ~~link~~ ====		=== External Links ===
	*[http://www.shroud.it/SCAVONE1.PDF Professor Daniel Scavone]		*[http://www.shroud.it/SCAVONE1.PDF Professor Daniel Scavone]

Paul Matisz at 14:35, 14 October 2005

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	==== Supposed powers ====		==== Supposed powers ====
	The '''Grail''' was variously supposed to heal all wounds, to be invisible to the non-believer and untouchable by the impure, and (in common with several [[Celt]]ic vessels of [[legend]]) able to feed people with the dish of their choice.		The '''Grail''' was variously supposed to heal all wounds, to be invisible to the non-believer and untouchable by the impure, and (in common with several [[Celt]]ic vessels of [[legend]]) able to feed people with the dish of their choice.

			=== Modern Grail Stories ===
			One of the most readily recognizable Grail stories in modern times is the movie [[Monty Python\|Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail]], which is popular with [[SCAdians]].

	==== External link ====		==== External link ====

Cian: tidy up, links

2005-08-17T04:00:06Z

tidy up, links

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	The '''Holy Grail''' is supposedly either the chalice or cup with which [[Jesus]] [[Christ]] served his apostles at the Last Supper, or the dish, cup, plate or other vessel used to catch his blood at the ~~Crucifiction~~. The Bible ([[Gospel]]s, Acts, [[Epistle]]s and Revelation) made no especial reference to it, but [[legend]]s and [[mythology\|myths]] sprang up around it.		The '''Holy Grail''' is supposedly either the chalice or cup with which [[Jesus Christ]] served his apostles at the Last Supper, or the dish, cup, plate or other vessel used to catch his blood at the Crucifixion. The [[Bible]] ([[Gospel]]s, Acts, [[Epistle]]s and Revelation) made no especial reference to it, but [[legend]]s and [[mythology\|myths]] sprang up around it.

	In the tales of the [[King Arthur\|Arthurian]] cycle, the Grail came to have a central place, as the subject of the greatest Quest the ~~knights~~ would essay. It was linked with another mythic figure, that of the Fisher King and made to be the means by which the King might be healed of his wound and his land of its sympathetic barrenness.~~<br>~~		In the tales of the [[King Arthur\|Arthurian]] cycle, the Grail came to have a central place, as the subject of the greatest [[Quest]] the [[knight]]s would essay. It was linked with another mythic figure, that of the [[Fisher King]] and made to be the means by which the [[King]] might be healed of his wound and his land of its sympathetic barrenness.
⚫	As a result of this "publicity", Christian nations came to believe in the existence of the Grail, seen by the heroes of old, and still kept safely somewhere, as a token of the eventual salvation of the World.~~<br>~~
⚫	Joseph of Arimathea was supposed to have brought it to [[Britain]], to [[Glastonbury]] first, from where it was taken to ''Corbenic'', to the custody of his daughter Anna, and her husband, Brons, who began a line of guardians. The whereabouts of Corbenic were lost, but in Arthur's time (the story went), the prophecy was raised that the Grail might be found by the best knight. Many knights proposed themselves for that honour. It belonged, in the event, to Galahad, son of Lancelot, and the most sinless of all Arthur's knights. He found it, in a Chapel, and he and it were lifted up to heaven.

		⚫	As a result of this "publicity", [[Christian]] nations came to believe in the existence of the Grail, seen by the heroes of old, and still kept safely somewhere, as a token of the eventual salvation of the World.
⚫	The actual use of the word ''grail'' dates from the works of ~~'''~~Robert de Boron~~'''~~ -- ''Roman de l'Estoire dou Graal -- and ~~'''~~Chretien de Troyes~~'''~~, ~~espcially~~ his unfinished ''Perceval''. But references appear, from the late 5th century onwards, specifically to the chalice of the Last Supper.

		⚫	Joseph of Arimathea was supposed to have brought it to [[Britain]], to [[Glastonbury]] first, from where it was taken to ''Corbenic'', to the custody of his daughter Anna, and her husband, Brons, who began a line of guardians. The whereabouts of Corbenic were lost, but in Arthur's time (the story went), the prophecy was raised that the Grail might be found by the best knight. Many knights proposed themselves for that honour. It belonged, in the event, to [[Galahad]], son of [[Lancelot]], and the most sinless of all Arthur's knights. He found it, in a Chapel, and he and it were lifted up to heaven.
⚫	An alternative, eastern, tradition made the Grail a "stone that fell from heaven". ~~'''~~Wolfram von Esenbach~~'''~~, in his ''Parzifal'' reports this version, citing as sources a book given or lent to him by ~~'''~~Philip, Duke of Flanders~~'''~~, who had been in the [[Holy Land]] in the 1170s, and information from one ~~'''~~Kyot~~''',~~ of Provence, who had provided additional details.

		⚫	The actual use of the word ''grail'' dates from the works of Robert de Boron -- ''Roman de l'Estoire dou Graal'' -- and [[Chretien de Troyes]], especially his unfinished ''Perceval''. But references appear, from the late [[5th century]] onwards, specifically to the chalice of the Last Supper.

		⚫	An alternative eastern tradition made the Grail a "stone that fell from heaven". Wolfram von Esenbach, in his ''Parzifal'' reports this version, citing as sources a book given or lent to him by Philip, [[Duke]] of [[Flanders]], who had been in the [[Holy Land]] in the 1170s, and information from one Kyot of [[Provence]], who had provided additional details.

	==== Candidiates ====		==== Candidiates ====
	According to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_grail ~~Wikipaedia]~~] the Middle Ages had four outstanding candidates:		According to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_grail Wikipedia] the [[Middle Ages]] had four outstanding candidates:
	* a large two-handled silver chalice, seen by the [[Frank]]ish [[bishop]] ~~'''~~Arculf~~'''~~ (possibly of ~~'''~~Perigueux~~'''~~) in the [[7th century]] in a chapel of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in [[Jerusalem]]. After this one reference, this chalice disappears from history.		* a large two-handled [[silver]] chalice, seen by the [[Frank]]ish [[bishop]] Arculf (possibly of Perigueux) in the [[7th century]] in a chapel of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in [[Jerusalem]]. After this one reference, this chalice disappears from history.
	* a grail kept at [[Byzantium]], mentioned in the 13th-century [[German]] romance ''The Younger Titurel''. This was a dish, which was looted from the Church of the Bucoleon in [[Constantinople]], taken to Troyes by the then-bishop, Garnier de Trainel in 1204, recorded there in 1610, and disappeared during the French Revolution. Some accounts, however, reduce this candidate to a finely-wrought copy ... which still presupposes a primal Grail from which it was copied.		* a grail kept at [[Byzantium]], mentioned in the [[13th century]] [[German]] romance ''The Younger Titurel''. This was a dish, which was looted from the Church of the Bucoleon in [[Constantinople]], taken to Troyes by the then-bishop, Garnier de Trainel in 1204, recorded there in 1610, and disappeared during the French Revolution. Some accounts, however, reduce this candidate to a finely-wrought copy ... which still presupposes a primal Grail from which it was copied.
	* a green [[glass]] dish, possibly [[Egypt]]ian in origin, taken by [[Genoa\|Genoese]] [[crusader]]s from the mosque at Caesarea around 1101, later plundered by Napoleon, and returned broken		* a green [[glass]] dish, possibly [[Egypt]]ian in origin, taken by [[Genoa\|Genoese]] [[crusader]]s from the mosque at Caesarea around 1101, later plundered by Napoleon, and returned broken.
	* a cup of [[agate]] given to King Martin of Aragon around 1399, and later supposed to have been brought by St.Peter to Rome, and then transferred to a [[Spain\|Spanish]] [[monastery]], sent there by [[Pope]] Sixtus II in the care of [[~~saint~~]] Laurence.		* a cup of [[agate]] given to King Martin of [[Aragon]] around 1399, and later supposed to have been brought by [[St. Peter]] to [[Rome]], and then transferred to a [[Spain\|Spanish]] [[monastery]], sent there by [[Pope]] [[Sixtus II]] in the care of [[Saint]] Laurence.

	The vessel was also, at different times and in different versions, supposed to be hidden		The vessel was also, at different times and in different versions, supposed to be hidden
	* at Glastonbury (as proved by the fact that the water from a spring there ran blood-red)		* at [[Glastonbury]] (as proved by the fact that the water from a spring there ran blood-red)
	* somewhere in Britain, being a small cup rescued from Christ's tomb by [[Empress]] Helena of [[Rome]], and removed to Britain when the ~~Visigoths~~ threatened the city early in the 5th century (This is not supposed to be the Last Supper cup, but one used by the Magdalene to catch [[Jesus]]' blood at the Cross).		* somewhere in [[Britain]], being a small cup rescued from Christ's tomb by [[Empress]] Helena of [[Rome]], and removed to Britain when the [[Visigoth]]s threatened the city early in the [[5th century]] (This is not supposed to be the Last Supper cup, but one used by the Magdalene to catch [[Jesus]]' blood at the [[Cross]]).
	* in Wales, in Strata Florida Abbey, from where the ~~monks~~ removed it at the Reformation, to escape [[Henry VIII]]'s commissioners, and hidden again at Nanteos House		* in [[Wales]], in Strata Florida Abbey, from where the [[monk]]s removed it at the Reformation, to escape [[Henry VIII]]'s commissioners, and hidden again at Nanteos House.
	* somewhere within or below the extravagant [[chapel]] at Roslin, in Scotland, supposedly removed there by the [[~~Templars~~]] and entrusted to the Scottish Sinclair (or ''Saint Clair'') family, who built the chapel. (More recently a theory has been propounded that the Sinclairs moved it, with other Templar treasures) to Oak Island in Nova Scotia. ''Mentioned in case anyone fancies some healthy excavation'')		* somewhere within or below the extravagant [[chapel]] at Roslin, in [[Scotland]], supposedly removed there by the [[Templar]]s and entrusted to the Scottish Sinclair (or ''Saint Clair'') family, who built the chapel. (More recently a theory has been propounded that the Sinclairs moved it, with other Templar treasures) to Oak Island in Nova Scotia. (''Mentioned in case anyone fancies some healthy excavation'')

	There is also a Holy Face in the cathedral of ~~'''~~Lucca~~'''~~ in [[Italy]] which is supposed to house cruets of Jesus' sweat and blood.		There is also a Holy Face in the cathedral of Lucca in [[Italy]] which is supposed to house cruets of Jesus' sweat and blood.

	The connections between the Arthurian Grail stories and the [[Celtic]] school of [[Christianity]] has militated against the acceptance of the legends by the [[Roman Catholic]] [[Church]] -- only the Aragonese cup is acknowledged by them as having even a vestige of a claim toward honest antiquity. All schools of [[Protestant]]ism would, of course, decry the Grail as blatant idolatry.		The connections between the Arthurian Grail stories and the [[Celtic]] school of [[Christianity]] has militated against the acceptance of the legends by the [[Roman Catholic]] [[Church]] -- only the Aragonese cup is acknowledged by them as having even a vestige of a claim toward honest antiquity. All schools of [[Protestant]]ism would, of course, decry the Grail as blatant idolatry.

	==== Supposed powers ====		==== Supposed powers ====
	The '''Grail''' was variously supposed to heal all wounds, to be invisible to the non-believer and untouchable by the impure, and (in common with several ~~Celtic~~ vessels of [[legend]]) able to feed people with the dish of their choice.		The '''Grail''' was variously supposed to heal all wounds, to be invisible to the non-believer and untouchable by the impure, and (in common with several [[Celt]]ic vessels of [[legend]]) able to feed people with the dish of their choice.

	==== External link ====		==== External link ====
	[http://www.shroud.it/SCAVONE1.PDF Professor Daniel Scavone]		*[http://www.shroud.it/SCAVONE1.PDF Professor Daniel Scavone]

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	~~:'''~~Modern rationalism~~'''~~ has decided that the Grail is and ever was no more than a myth, and that the		Modern rationalism has decided that the Grail is and ever was no more than a myth, and that the various material manifestations are but self-aggrandising fakes, buoyed up by esoteric flim-flam.

	various material manifestations are but self-aggrandising fakes, buoyed up by esoteric flim-flam.

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The '''Holy Grail''' is supposedly either the chalice or cup with which [[Jesus]] [[Christ]] served his apostles at the Last Supper, or the dish, cup, plate or other vessel used to catch his blood at the Crucifiction. The Bible ([[Gospel]]s, Acts, [[Epistle]]s and Revelation) made no especial reference to it, but [[legend]]s and [[mythology|myths]] sprang up around it.

In the tales of the [[King Arthur|Arthurian]] cycle, the Grail came to have a central place, as the subject of the greatest Quest the knights would essay. It was linked with another mythic figure, that of the Fisher King and made to be the means by which the King might be healed of his wound and his land of its sympathetic barrenness.<br>
As a result of this "publicity", Christian nations came to believe in the existence of the Grail, seen by the heroes of old, and still kept safely somewhere, as a token of the eventual salvation of the World.<br>
Joseph of Arimathea was supposed to have brought it to [[Britain]], to [[Glastonbury]] first, from where it was taken to ''Corbenic'', to the custody of his daughter Anna, and her husband, Brons, who began a line of guardians. The whereabouts of Corbenic were lost, but in Arthur's time (the story went), the prophecy was raised that the Grail might be found by the best knight. Many knights proposed themselves for that honour. It belonged, in the event, to Galahad, son of Lancelot, and the most sinless of all Arthur's knights. He found it, in a Chapel, and he and it were lifted up to heaven.

The actual use of the word ''grail'' dates from the works of '''Robert de Boron''' -- ''Roman de l'Estoire dou Graal -- and '''Chretien de Troyes''', espcially his unfinished ''Perceval''. But references appear, from the late 5th century onwards, specifically to the chalice of the Last Supper.

An alternative, eastern, tradition made the Grail a "stone that fell from heaven". '''Wolfram von Esenbach''', in his ''Parzifal'' reports this version, citing as sources a book given or lent to him by '''Philip, Duke of Flanders''', who had been in the [[Holy Land]] in the 1170s, and information from one '''Kyot''', of Provence, who had provided additional details.

==== Candidiates ====
According to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_grail Wikipaedia]] the Middle Ages had four outstanding candidates:
* a large two-handled silver chalice, seen by the [[Frank]]ish [[bishop]] '''Arculf''' (possibly of '''Perigueux''') in the [[7th century]] in a chapel of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in [[Jerusalem]]. After this one reference, this chalice disappears from history.
* a grail kept at [[Byzantium]], mentioned in the 13th-century [[German]] romance ''The Younger Titurel''. This was a dish, which was looted from the Church of the Bucoleon in [[Constantinople]], taken to Troyes by the then-bishop, Garnier de Trainel in 1204, recorded there in 1610, and disappeared during the French Revolution. Some accounts, however, reduce this candidate to a finely-wrought copy ... which still presupposes a primal Grail from which it was copied.
* a green [[glass]] dish, possibly [[Egypt]]ian in origin, taken by [[Genoa|Genoese]] [[crusader]]s from the mosque at Caesarea around 1101, later plundered by Napoleon, and returned broken
* a cup of [[agate]] given to King Martin of Aragon around 1399, and later supposed to have been brought by St.Peter to Rome, and then transferred to a [[Spain|Spanish]] [[monastery]], sent there by [[Pope]] Sixtus II in the care of [[saint]] Laurence.

The vessel was also, at different times and in different versions, supposed to be hidden
* at Glastonbury (as proved by the fact that the water from a spring there ran blood-red)
* somewhere in Britain, being a small cup rescued from Christ's tomb by [[Empress]] Helena of [[Rome]], and removed to Britain when the Visigoths threatened the city early in the 5th century (This is not supposed to be the Last Supper cup, but one used by the Magdalene to catch [[Jesus]]' blood at the Cross).
* in Wales, in Strata Florida Abbey, from where the monks removed it at the Reformation, to escape [[Henry VIII]]'s commissioners, and hidden again at Nanteos House
* somewhere within or below the extravagant [[chapel]] at Roslin, in Scotland, supposedly removed there by the [[Templars]] and entrusted to the Scottish Sinclair (or ''Saint Clair'') family, who built the chapel. (More recently a theory has been propounded that the Sinclairs moved it, with other Templar treasures) to Oak Island in Nova Scotia. ''Mentioned in case anyone fancies some healthy excavation'')

There is also a Holy Face in the cathedral of '''Lucca''' in [[Italy]] which is supposed to house cruets of Jesus' sweat and blood.

The connections between the Arthurian Grail stories and the [[Celtic]] school of [[Christianity]] has militated against the acceptance of the legends by the [[Roman Catholic]] [[Church]] -- only the Aragonese cup is acknowledged by them as having even a vestige of a claim toward honest antiquity. All schools of [[Protestant]]ism would, of course, decry the Grail as blatant idolatry.

==== Supposed powers ====
The '''Grail''' was variously supposed to heal all wounds, to be invisible to the non-believer and untouchable by the impure, and (in common with several Celtic vessels of [[legend]]) able to feed people with the dish of their choice.

==== External link ====
[http://www.shroud.it/SCAVONE1.PDF Professor Daniel Scavone]

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