Cloved lemon - Revision history

Ladyadele: /* How did this get made up? */

2008-12-14T22:32:48Z

How did this get made up?

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	==How did this get made up?==		==How did this get made up?==
	There's plenty of [[mythology]] about this. There is little doubt that the [[medjeeval]] cloved lemon kissing game was created in the 20th Century (in 1974, [http://www.florilegium.org/files/ENTERTAINMENT/cloved-fruit-msg.html some say]), but it strikes a resonance because it bears ''some'' ~~simularity~~ to a few period items and ~~practises,~~ just enough that people keep trying to search for the period origins of this ~~practise~~.		There's plenty of [[mythology]] about this. There is little doubt that the [[medjeeval]] cloved lemon kissing game was created in the 20th Century (some say in 1974 - [http://www.florilegium.org/files/ENTERTAINMENT/cloved-fruit-msg.html some say]), but it strikes a resonance because it bears ''some'' similarity to a few period items and practices- just enough that people keep trying to search for the period origins of this practice.

	In a French custom from the time of the Crusades, a knight could impress a lady by giving her a citrus fruit, often a lemon, that was pierced by whole cloves. Both citrus fruit and cloves were extremely expensive, so it made an impressive gift.		In a French custom from the time of the Crusades, a knight could impress a lady by giving her a citrus fruit, often a lemon, that was pierced by whole cloves. Both citrus fruit and cloves were extremely expensive, so it made an impressive gift.

	According to Alexandre sur le Mer, this practice was an inspiration for Alizaunde de Breguef, who may have made the first cloved lemon for kissing in ~~A. S.~~ VIII. This was in the Canton of the Towers, Barony of Carolingia of the East Kingdom.		According to Alexandre sur le Mer, this practice was an inspiration for Alizaunde de Breguef, who may have made the first cloved lemon for kissing in [[AS VIII]]. This was in the Canton of the Towers, Barony of Carolingia of the East Kingdom.

	~~The~~ cloved lemon is ~~sometimes~~ referred to as a ~~"cloven~~ ~~lemon,"~~ ~~which~~ ~~would~~ ~~literally~~ ~~mean~~ a ~~lemon~~ ~~that~~ is ~~split.~~		A cloved lemon is also sometimed referred to as '''cloven'''. That usage may be a reference to William Shakespeare's 1598 comedy ''Love's Labour's Lost'', Act V, Scene II:

		⚫	'''Don Adriano''': The armipotent Mars, of lances the almighty \| Gave Hector a gift,<br>
	While this phrase seems to be an error, this usage may be a reference to an original source. In William Shakespeare's comedy ''Love's Labour's Lost'', first published in 1598, the following dialog is found in Act V, Scene II (numbers indicate lines in the play):

		⚫	'''Dumain''': A gilt nutmeg.<br>

		⚫	'''Biron''': A lemon.<br>
	DON ADRIANO DE ARMADO<br>
⚫	~~672~~ The armipotent Mars, of lances the almighty,<br>
	673 Gave Hector a gift,--<br>

		⚫	'''Longaville''': Stuck with cloves.<br>
	DUMAIN<br>
⚫	~~674~~ A gilt nutmeg.<br>

		⚫	'''Dumain''': No, cloven.<br>
	BIRON<br>
⚫	~~675~~ A lemon.<br>

	LONGAVILLE<br>
⚫	~~676~~ Stuck with cloves.<br>

	DUMAIN<br>
⚫	~~677~~ No, cloven.<br>

	==Local customs within the SCA==		==Local customs within the SCA==

Eldwin Nightowl: fixed spelling, updated reference

2008-12-12T07:06:59Z

fixed spelling, updated reference

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	'''Cloved lemons''', also referred to as '''Cloven lemons''' or '''Clove lemons,''' are often handed around at [[feast]]s or [[camping event]]s. Love it or hate it, the '''Cloved lemon kissing game''' is a [[tradition]] that is engrained in [[SCA]] culture, and has been adopted by other groups, including Discordians and Harmonians. In most of the [[USA]] [[Kingdom]]s the use of cloved lemons as fallen out of favor.		'''Cloved lemons''', also referred to as '''Cloven lemons''' or '''Clove lemons,''' are often handed around at [[feast]]s or [[camping event]]s. Love it or hate it, the '''Cloved lemon kissing game''' is a [[tradition]] that is engrained in [[SCA]] culture, and has been adopted by other groups, including Discordians and Harmonians. In most of the [[USA]] [[Kingdom]]s the use of cloved lemons had fallen out of favor, but seems to be enjoying a resurgence.

	==Cloved Lemons in Practise==		==Cloved Lemons in Practise==
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	# Politely refuse the cloved lemon.		# Politely refuse the cloved lemon.

	If you choose ''option 1'', you take a [[clove]] out of the [[fruit]] with your teeth (or occasionally fingers - see local customs). The taste of the clove will be very strong. Stronger if you bite on it, and may make your whole mouth go numb. The clove is ~~annedotely~~ supposed to freshen your breath. You (or possibly the lady) then indicate to the person who gave you the fruit where to kiss you (check local customs) - often the hand, cheek or lips, it depends on your comfort level with the person who gave it to you. You then find another victim - oops! person to pass it on to.		If you choose ''option 1'', you take a [[clove]] out of the [[fruit]] with your teeth (or occasionally fingers - see local customs). The taste of the clove will be very strong. Stronger if you bite on it, and may make your whole mouth go numb. The clove is anecdotely supposed to freshen your breath. You (or possibly the lady) then indicate to the person who gave you the fruit where to kiss you (check local customs) - often the hand, cheek or lips, it depends on your comfort level with the person who gave it to you. You then find another victim - oops! person to pass it on to.

	If you choose ''option 2'', and there is NO shame at all in doing this. It is not impolite to refuse a cloved lemon, and your decision is respected (and often understandable). There is, of course, the other option - whenever you hear mention of a cloved lemon being passed around, to just avoid it like the [[Black Death\|Plague]] and hide somewhere.		If you choose ''option 2'', and there is NO shame at all in doing this. It is not impolite to refuse a cloved lemon, and your decision is respected (and often understandable). There is, of course, the other option - whenever you hear mention of a cloved lemon being passed around, to just avoid it like the [[Black Death\|Plague]] and hide somewhere.

	Also, note that [[custom]] may vary depending on where you are (see section below). It can be quite important to find out what the local variants are, or you may find yourself ~~embarrased~~ with more attention than expected. Feel free to indicate verbally what level of intimacy you are comfortable with.		Also, note that [[custom]] may vary depending on where you are (see section below). It can be quite important to find out what the local variants are, or you may find yourself embarrassed with more attention than expected. Feel free to indicate verbally what level of intimacy you are comfortable with.

	==Why do we use cloved lemons?==		==Why do we use cloved lemons?==

Eldwin Nightowl: /* Sources */

2008-12-12T07:00:51Z

Sources

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	*Kissing [[game]]s did occur in medieval times.		*Kissing [[game]]s did occur in medieval times.

	==~~See also~~==		==Sources==
			*[http://www.maximumedge.com/shakespeare/loveslaborslost.htm ''Love's Labour's Lost''] by William Shakespeare
	*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloved_lemon_kissing_game Cloved Lemon Kissing Game] on Wikipedia
			*''[[The Known World Handbook]]''
⚫	*[http://discordia.loveshade.org/ek-sen-trik-kuh/clovedlemon.html Discordian/Harmonian version of the Cloved Lemon Kissing Game] ~~(which~~ ~~jokingly~~ ~~credits~~ ~~the~~ SCA)
			*[http://elisaid.antir.com/bardic/clovedfruit.htm "Clove Lemon: The True Story by Alexandre sur le Mer"], ''[[Tournaments Illuminated]]'', Spring 1986, AS XXI, No. 78.
		⚫	*[http://discordia.loveshade.org/ek-sen-trik-kuh/clovedlemon.html "The Cloved Lemon Kissing Game" in ''Ek-sen-trik-kuh Discordia: The Tales of Shamlicht''] Discordian/Harmonian version of the Cloved Lemon Kissing Game in a book with contributions from several SCA members.

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Eldwin Nightowl: added alternate names for the game

2008-12-12T06:57:12Z

added alternate names for the game

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	'''Cloved lemons''' are often handed around at [[feast]]s or [[camping event]]s. Love it or hate it, it's a [[tradition]] that is engrained in [[SCA]] culture, and has been adopted by other groups, including Discordians and Harmonians. In most of the [[USA]] [[Kingdom]]s the use of cloved lemons as fallen out of favor.		'''Cloved lemons''', also referred to as '''Cloven lemons''' or '''Clove lemons,''' are often handed around at [[feast]]s or [[camping event]]s. Love it or hate it, the '''Cloved lemon kissing game''' is a [[tradition]] that is engrained in [[SCA]] culture, and has been adopted by other groups, including Discordians and Harmonians. In most of the [[USA]] [[Kingdom]]s the use of cloved lemons as fallen out of favor.

	==Cloved Lemons in Practise==		==Cloved Lemons in Practise==

Eldwin Nightowl: added info on modern and historical background

2008-12-12T06:55:51Z

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 ==How did this get made up?==
 There's plenty of [[mythology]] about this.  There is little doubt that the [[medjeeval]] cloved lemon kissing game was created in the 20th Century (in 1974, [http://www.florilegium.org/files/ENTERTAINMENT/cloved-fruit-msg.html some say]), but it strikes a resonance because it bears ''some'' simularity to a few period items and practises, just enough that people keep trying to search for the period origins of this practise.
 ==Local customs within the SCA==

AlexandreDavigne at 12:53, 7 November 2006

2006-11-07T12:53:01Z

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	'''Cloved lemons''' are often handed around at [[feast]]s or [[camping event]]s. Love it or hate it, it's a [[tradition]] that is engrained in [[SCA]] culture, and has been adopted by other groups, including Discordians and Harmonians.		'''Cloved lemons''' are often handed around at [[feast]]s or [[camping event]]s. Love it or hate it, it's a [[tradition]] that is engrained in [[SCA]] culture, and has been adopted by other groups, including Discordians and Harmonians. In most of the [[USA]] [[Kingdom]]s the use of cloved lemons as fallen out of favor.

	==Cloved Lemons in Practise==		==Cloved Lemons in Practise==

Sabine: varietal

2006-11-06T22:54:31Z

varietal

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	==Local customs within the SCA==		==Local customs within the SCA==
	*In some areas of Lochac (noted in NSW colleges) significance is given to different varieties of cloved fruit. For example cloved grapes, cloved watermelons, cloved bananas. The various fruit are supposedly symoblic of different sexual acts (as the lemon is to kissing), although this is likely more for teasing value than a serious proposition.		*In some areas of Lochac (noted in NSW colleges) significance is given to different varieties of cloved fruit. For example cloved grapes, cloved watermelons, cloved bananas. The various fruit are supposedly symoblic of different sexual acts (as the lemon is to kissing), although this is likely more for teasing value than a serious proposition. In other places, different types of cloved fruit are used just for variety.
	*There are two traditions about who gets to choose the location of a kiss - is it the lady of the pair, or the recipient of the lemon. The first is more chivalric towards ladylike ladies, but allows them to exploit vulnerable males. The second is more useful in our modern world where a lady is as likely to receive a lemon from another lady as from a man, and appears to be the most commonly used. Enquire locally.		*There are two traditions about who gets to choose the location of a kiss - is it the lady of the pair, or the recipient of the lemon. The first is more chivalric towards ladylike ladies, but allows them to exploit vulnerable males. The second is more useful in our modern world where a lady is as likely to receive a lemon from another lady as from a man, and appears to be the most commonly used. Enquire locally.
	*In one area (unknown) significance is given to the way the clove is removed from the lemon		*In one area (unknown) significance is given to the way the clove is removed from the lemon

Binky The WonderSkull: Small changes because "Period" covers so much

2006-07-01T04:57:20Z

Small changes because "Period" covers so much

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	==Why do we use cloved lemons?==		==Why do we use cloved lemons?==
	In [[period]], you ~~never~~ ~~wandered~~ up to a stranger and ~~introduced~~ yourself. You were ~~always~~ introduced by a third party. This is a little too rigid for our [[modern]] society. ~~Instead~~, we have taken the third party and made it a lemon.		In many cultures in the SCA's [[period]], you wouldn't wander up to a stranger and introduce yourself. You were introduced by a third party. This is a little too rigid for our [[modern]] society. So in some sense, we have taken the third party and made it a lemon.

	==How did this get made up?==		==How did this get made up?==

Binky The WonderSkull: added links

2006-06-26T03:42:38Z

added links

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	*Cloves ''may'' have been used to sweeten the breath in [[medieval]] times (proof needed)		*Cloves ''may'' have been used to sweeten the breath in [[medieval]] times (proof needed)
	*Kissing [[game]]s did occur in medieval times.		*Kissing [[game]]s did occur in medieval times.

			==See also==
			*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloved_lemon_kissing_game Cloved Lemon Kissing Game] on Wikipedia
			*[http://discordia.loveshade.org/ek-sen-trik-kuh/clovedlemon.html Discordian/Harmonian version of the Cloved Lemon Kissing Game] (which jokingly credits the SCA)

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User 144 at 00:08, 18 June 2006

2006-06-18T00:08:15Z

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	'''Cloved lemons''' are often handed around at [[feast]]s or [[camping event]]s. Love it or hate it, it's a [[tradition]] that is engrained in [[SCA]] culture, and has been adopted by other groups, including Discordians and Harmonians. ==		'''Cloved lemons''' are often handed around at [[feast]]s or [[camping event]]s. Love it or hate it, it's a [[tradition]] that is engrained in [[SCA]] culture, and has been adopted by other groups, including Discordians and Harmonians.

	==Cloved Lemons in Practise==		==Cloved Lemons in Practise==