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	A similar principle applies to using 19th Century copies of [[medieval]] [[art]]works. The general outline of the picture is usually copied correctly, but the smaller details often have errors which may be misleading (e.g. giving the idea of [[corset]]s under [[bliaut]]s). Ninteenth century copies can give you an idea of whether you might want to look for an original (if it still exists), but often less effort and misconceptions are involved in looking up an original copy in the first place. Many internet sites redistribute 19th century copies of [[illumination]]s (without warning about potential errors), because unlike modern accurate copies, 19th Century copies are out of [[copyright]].		A similar principle applies to using 19th Century copies of [[medieval]] [[art]]works. The general outline of the picture is usually copied correctly, but the smaller details often have errors which may be misleading (e.g. giving the idea of [[corset]]s under [[bliaut]]s). Ninteenth century copies can give you an idea of whether you might want to look for an original (if it still exists), but often less effort and misconceptions are involved in looking up an original copy in the first place. Many internet sites redistribute 19th century copies of [[illumination]]s (without warning about potential errors), because unlike modern accurate copies, 19th Century copies are out of [[copyright]].
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	The '''nineteenth century''' saw a great rise in interest in history, which was probably a Good Thing but, on the other hand, it also saw a lot of slipshod, nationally-biased work where authors either fabricated evidence, or were very careful with what they selected.		The '''nineteenth century''' saw a great rise in interest in history, which was probably a Good Thing but, on the other hand, it also saw a lot of slipshod, nationally-biased work where authors either fabricated evidence, or were very careful with what they selected.

	Nineteenth century [[historian]]s were very big on ideas like the March of History towards Progress, and thus tended to promulgate ideas like the [[Renaissance]].		Nineteenth century [[historian]]s were very big on ideas like the March of History towards Progress, and thus tended to promulgate ideas like the [[Renaissance]].

			Nineteenth century craftspeople and artists were also very fond of the romantic ideals of the middle ages, and produced many well-known artworks that are widely believed, by the uninformed, to be from the middle ages. The Pre-Raphaelites and the later Craftsman movement both drew inspiration from medieval and renaissance sources.

			An example of an artwork of this type, and why it's a bad source for our purposes, is discussed here:
			http://jauncourt.i8.com/accolade.htm

	== Using 19th Century sources in the SCA ==		== Using 19th Century sources in the SCA ==

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	The nineteenth century saw a great rise in interest in history, which was probably a Good Thing.		The '''nineteenth century''' saw a great rise in interest in history, which was probably a Good Thing but, on the other hand, it also saw a lot of slipshod, nationally-biased work where authors either fabricated evidence, or were very careful with what they selected.

		⚫	Nineteenth century [[historian]]s were very big on ideas like the March of History towards Progress, and thus tended to promulgate ideas like the [[Renaissance]].
	On the other hand, it also saw a lot of slipshod, nationally-biased work where authors either fabricated evidence, or were very careful with what they selected.

			== Using 19th Century sources in the SCA ==
⚫	Nineteenth century ~~historians~~ were very big on ideas like the March of History towards Progress, and thus tended to promulgate ideas like the [[Renaissance]].
			Generally, if something is a nineteenth century work, don't use it unless
			# You really know what you are doing, or
			# It's a nineteenth century reprint of a historical document.

		⚫	While it is not unknown for historical documents to have been fabricated in the 19th Century, you are more likely to be on solid ground if you use 19th Century document collections (eg the Historical Manuscripts Commission collections) than if you use nineteenth century interpretations (eg [[Burckhardt]]).
	Generally, if it's a nineteenth century work, don't use it ... unless (a) you really know what you are doing, or (b) it's a nineteenth century reprint of a historical document.

		⚫	A similar principle applies to using 19th Century copies of [[medieval]] [[art]]works. The general outline of the picture is usually copied correctly, but the smaller details often have errors which may be misleading (e.g. giving the idea of [[corset]]s under [[bliaut]]s). Ninteenth century copies can give you an idea of whether you might want to look for an original (if it still exists), but often less effort and misconceptions are involved in looking up an original copy in the first place. Many internet sites redistribute 19th century copies of [[illumination]]s (without warning about potential errors), because unlike modern accurate copies, 19th Century copies are out of [[copyright]].
⚫	While it is not unknown for historical documents to have been fabricated in the ~~19thC~~, you are more likely to be on solid ground if you use 19th C document collections (eg the Historical Manuscripts Commission collections) than if you use nineteenth century interpretations (eg [[Burckhardt]]).

⚫	A similar principle applies to using 19th C copies of medieval ~~artworks~~. The general outline of the picture is usually copied correctly, but the smaller details often have errors which may be misleading (e.g. giving the idea of ~~corsets~~ under [[bliaut]]s). Ninteenth century copies can give you an idea of whether you might want to look for an original (if it still exists), but often less effort and misconceptions are involved in looking up an original copy in the first place. Many internet sites redistribute 19th century copies of ~~illuminations~~ (without warning about potential errors), because unlike modern accurate copies, 19th C copies are out of copyright.

	Basis text Contributed by Anton, 6/11/03.

Del at 01:20, 9 November 2003

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	Generally, if it's a nineteenth century work, don't use it ... unless (a) you really know what you are doing, or (b) it's a nineteenth century reprint of a historical document.		Generally, if it's a nineteenth century work, don't use it ... unless (a) you really know what you are doing, or (b) it's a nineteenth century reprint of a historical document.

	While it is not unknown for historical documents to have been fabricated in the 19thC, you are more likely to be on solid ground if you use 19th C document collections (eg the Historical Manuscripts Commission collections) than if you use nineteenth century interpretations (eg [[~~Burkhardt~~]]).		While it is not unknown for historical documents to have been fabricated in the 19thC, you are more likely to be on solid ground if you use 19th C document collections (eg the Historical Manuscripts Commission collections) than if you use nineteenth century interpretations (eg [[Burckhardt]]).

	A similar principle applies to using 19th C copies of medieval artworks. The general outline of the picture is usually copied correctly, but the smaller details often have errors which may be misleading (e.g. giving the idea of corsets under [[bliaut]]s). Ninteenth century copies can give you an idea of whether you might want to look for an original (if it still exists), but often less effort and misconceptions are involved in looking up an original copy in the first place. Many internet sites redistribute 19th century copies of illuminations (without warning about potential errors), because unlike modern accurate copies, 19th C copies are out of copyright.		A similar principle applies to using 19th C copies of medieval artworks. The general outline of the picture is usually copied correctly, but the smaller details often have errors which may be misleading (e.g. giving the idea of corsets under [[bliaut]]s). Ninteenth century copies can give you an idea of whether you might want to look for an original (if it still exists), but often less effort and misconceptions are involved in looking up an original copy in the first place. Many internet sites redistribute 19th century copies of illuminations (without warning about potential errors), because unlike modern accurate copies, 19th C copies are out of copyright.

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	The nineteenth century saw a great rise in interest in history, which was probably a Good Thing.		The nineteenth century saw a great rise in interest in history, which was probably a Good Thing.

	On the other hand, it also saw a lot of slipshod, nationally-biased work where authors either ~~made~~ ~~shit up~~, or were very careful with what they selected.		On the other hand, it also saw a lot of slipshod, nationally-biased work where authors either fabricated evidence, or were very careful with what they selected.

	Nineteenth century historians were very big on ideas like the March of History towards Progress, and thus tended to promulgate ideas like the [[Renaissance]].		Nineteenth century historians were very big on ideas like the March of History towards Progress, and thus tended to promulgate ideas like the [[Renaissance]].
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	A similar principle applies to using 19th C copies of medieval artworks. The general outline of the picture is usually copied correctly, but the smaller details often have errors which may be misleading (e.g. giving the idea of corsets under [[bliaut]]s). Ninteenth century copies can give you an idea of whether you might want to look for an original (if it still exists), but often less effort and misconceptions are involved in looking up an original copy in the first place. Many internet sites redistribute 19th century copies of illuminations (without warning about potential errors), because unlike modern accurate copies, 19th C copies are out of copyright.		A similar principle applies to using 19th C copies of medieval artworks. The general outline of the picture is usually copied correctly, but the smaller details often have errors which may be misleading (e.g. giving the idea of corsets under [[bliaut]]s). Ninteenth century copies can give you an idea of whether you might want to look for an original (if it still exists), but often less effort and misconceptions are involved in looking up an original copy in the first place. Many internet sites redistribute 19th century copies of illuminations (without warning about potential errors), because unlike modern accurate copies, 19th C copies are out of copyright.

	Basis text Contributed by Anton, 6/11/03. ~~Feel free to correct, redistribute etc~~		Basis text Contributed by Anton, 6/11/03.

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	While it is not unknown for historical documents to have been fabricated in the 19thC, you are more likely to be on solid ground if you use 19th C document collections (eg the Historical Manuscripts Commission collections) than if you use nineteenth century interpretations (eg [[Burkhardt]]).		While it is not unknown for historical documents to have been fabricated in the 19thC, you are more likely to be on solid ground if you use 19th C document collections (eg the Historical Manuscripts Commission collections) than if you use nineteenth century interpretations (eg [[Burkhardt]]).

	A similar ~~prinipal~~ applies to 19th C copies of ~~medeival~~ artworks ~~- the~~ general ~~outlines~~ ~~are~~ ~~often~~ ~~copies~~ ~~well~~, but the details ~~are~~ often ~~drawn~~ ~~sufficiently~~ ~~wrong~~ ~~as to~~ be misleading (eg giving the idea of corsets under [[bliaut]]s). Ninteenth century copies can give you an idea of ~~what~~ you might want to look for an original of (if it still exists), but often less effort and misconceptions are involved in looking up an original copy the first ~~time~~. Many internet sites redistribute 19th century copies of illuminations (without warning of errors) because unlike modern accurate copies, 19th C copies are out of copyright.		A similar principle applies to using 19th C copies of medieval artworks. The general outline of the picture is usually copied correctly, but the smaller details often have errors which may be misleading (e.g. giving the idea of corsets under [[bliaut]]s). Ninteenth century copies can give you an idea of whether you might want to look for an original (if it still exists), but often less effort and misconceptions are involved in looking up an original copy in the first place. Many internet sites redistribute 19th century copies of illuminations (without warning about potential errors), because unlike modern accurate copies, 19th C copies are out of copyright.

	Basis text Contributed by Anton, 6/11/03. Feel free to correct, redistribute etc		Basis text Contributed by Anton, 6/11/03. Feel free to correct, redistribute etc

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	While it is not unknown for historical documents to have been fabricated in the 19thC, you are more likely to be on solid ground if you use 19th C document collections (eg the Historical Manuscripts Commission collections) than if you use nineteenth century interpretations (eg [[Burkhardt]]).		While it is not unknown for historical documents to have been fabricated in the 19thC, you are more likely to be on solid ground if you use 19th C document collections (eg the Historical Manuscripts Commission collections) than if you use nineteenth century interpretations (eg [[Burkhardt]]).

			A similar prinipal applies to 19th C copies of medeival artworks - the general outlines are often copies well, but the details are often drawn sufficiently wrong as to be misleading (eg giving the idea of corsets under [[bliaut]]s). Ninteenth century copies can give you an idea of what you might want to look for an original of (if it still exists), but often less effort and misconceptions are involved in looking up an original copy the first time. Many internet sites redistribute 19th century copies of illuminations (without warning of errors) because unlike modern accurate copies, 19th C copies are out of copyright.
⚫	Contributed by Anton, 6/11/03. Feel free to correct, redistribute etc

		⚫	Basis text Contributed by Anton, 6/11/03. Feel free to correct, redistribute etc

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	Nineteenth century historians were very big on ideas like the March of History towards Progress, and thus tended to promulgate ideas like the [[Renaissance]].		Nineteenth century historians were very big on ideas like the March of History towards Progress, and thus tended to promulgate ideas like the [[Renaissance]].

	Generally, if it's a nineteenth century work, ~~dont~~ use it ... unless (a) you really know what you are doing, or (b) it's a nineteenth century reprint of a historical document.		Generally, if it's a nineteenth century work, don't use it ... unless (a) you really know what you are doing, or (b) it's a nineteenth century reprint of a historical document.

	While it is not unknown for historical documents to have been fabricated in the 19thC, you are more likely to be on solid ground if you use 19th C document collections (eg the Historical Manuscripts Commission ~~collecteions~~) than if you use nineteenth century interpretations (eg [[Burkhardt]]).		While it is not unknown for historical documents to have been fabricated in the 19thC, you are more likely to be on solid ground if you use 19th C document collections (eg the Historical Manuscripts Commission collections) than if you use nineteenth century interpretations (eg [[Burkhardt]]).

	Contributed by Anton, 6/11/03. Feel free to correct, redistribute etc		Contributed by Anton, 6/11/03. Feel free to correct, redistribute etc

Anton at 02:35, 6 November 2003

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The nineteenth century saw a great rise in interest in history, which was probably a Good Thing.

On the other hand, it also saw a lot of slipshod, nationally-biased work where authors either made shit up, or were very careful with what they selected.

Nineteenth century historians were very big on ideas like the March of History towards Progress, and thus tended to promulgate ideas like the [[Renaissance]].

Generally, if it's a nineteenth century work, dont use it ... unless (a) you really know what you are doing, or (b) it's a nineteenth century reprint of a historical document.

While it is not unknown for historical documents to have been fabricated in the 19thC, you are more likely to be on solid ground if you use 19th C document collections (eg the Historical Manuscripts Commission collecteions) than if you use nineteenth century interpretations (eg [[Burkhardt]]).

Contributed by Anton, 6/11/03. Feel free to correct, redistribute etc