https://cunnan.lochac.sca.org/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=Donal&feedformat=atomCunnan - User contributions [en]2024-03-29T13:54:31ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.39.3https://cunnan.lochac.sca.org/index.php?title=Talk:Banner_Bearer&diff=41854Talk:Banner Bearer2011-11-03T18:09:57Z<p>Donal: </p>
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<div>I do not concur with the assertion that "Being a banner-bearer is a nice, easy way of getting out onto the war field without having to do anything."<br />
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For one, to be a banner-bearer is a position of honour, to be granted to one whose worth, loyalty, and steadfastness are beyond doubt. Even if the bannerer stands at the edge of the battlefield without taking any active part in the conduct of battle, that is a significant responsibility.<br />
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And if, as they actually should, a bannerer stays near the person (Monarch, Head of House, Baron, Commander) whose banner they bear, it can be a job requiring a lot of energy and watchfulness.<br />
- [[User:Donal]]<br />
: Do you say this from experience? Don't forget that this statement is about [[SCA]] [[banner bearer]]s, not [[medieval]] ones. At the time this page was originally written, it seemed that banner bearers were very rare in the SCA. [[Lochac]] seemed to be the only principality/kingdom that supported them within its [[Conventions Of Combat|rules of combat]] as "[[light fighter]]s" were uncommon and only tended to be [[archer]]s in other areas. But even then, there were banner-bearers as a type of [[non-combatant]] [[combatant]] (which is what the statement is discussing) and combatants who carried banners (which is another classification all together).<br />
: Of course, this is a [[wiki]]. If you feel that something is incorrect, incomplete, out-of-date or ambiguous, then go ahead and change it. You don't have to ask for permission. However, thank you for bringing it up in this discussion. Everyone now will have a better idea of the context under which you apply any edits to this page (ie. why you made them). - [[User:Cian|Cian Gillebhrath]] 09:29, 27 October 2011 (EST)<br />
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I have it from the Society Earl Marshal that non-combatant bannerers are not allowed. Perhaps they were at one time, but no more. I wrote a new entry for the category based on that information.<br />
[[User:Donal|Donal Mac Ruiseart]] 13:10, 3 November 2011 (EST)</div>Donalhttps://cunnan.lochac.sca.org/index.php?title=Talk:Banner_Bearer&diff=41853Talk:Banner Bearer2011-11-03T18:07:22Z<p>Donal: </p>
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<div>I do not concur with the assertion that "Being a banner-bearer is a nice, easy way of getting out onto the war field without having to do anything."<br />
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For one, to be a banner-bearer is a position of honour, to be granted to one whose worth, loyalty, and steadfastness are beyond doubt. Even if the bannerer stands at the edge of the battlefield without taking any active part in the conduct of battle, that is a significant responsibility.<br />
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And if, as they actually should, a bannerer stays near the person (Monarch, Head of House, Baron, Commander) whose banner they bear, it can be a job requiring a lot of energy and watchfulness.<br />
- [[User:Donal]]<br />
: Do you say this from experience? Don't forget that this statement is about [[SCA]] [[banner bearer]]s, not [[medieval]] ones. At the time this page was originally written, it seemed that banner bearers were very rare in the SCA. [[Lochac]] seemed to be the only principality/kingdom that supported them within its [[Conventions Of Combat|rules of combat]] as "[[light fighter]]s" were uncommon and only tended to be [[archer]]s in other areas. But even then, there were banner-bearers as a type of [[non-combatant]] [[combatant]] (which is what the statement is discussing) and combatants who carried banners (which is another classification all together).<br />
: Of course, this is a [[wiki]]. If you feel that something is incorrect, incomplete, out-of-date or ambiguous, then go ahead and change it. You don't have to ask for permission. However, thank you for bringing it up in this discussion. Everyone now will have a better idea of the context under which you apply any edits to this page (ie. why you made them). - [[User:Cian|Cian Gillebhrath]] 09:29, 27 October 2011 (EST)<br />
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I have it from the Society Earl Marshal that non-combatant bannerers are not allowed. Perhaps they were at one time, but no more. I wrote a new entry for the category based on that information.</div>Donalhttps://cunnan.lochac.sca.org/index.php?title=Banner_Bearer&diff=41852Banner Bearer2011-11-03T18:06:25Z<p>Donal: /* Banner Bearers in the SCA */</p>
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<div>'''Banner bearer''' is a general term used to describe someone who carries a [[banner]], [[standard]], or some other type of [[flag]] onto the field. <br />
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In armies at different times in history the term [[ancient]] or [[ensign]] is used to describe these bearers in an [[army]] and indicated a [[rank]] that was associated with the post. In [[Medieval]] times, terms for banner bearers included '''bannerer''' and '''banior'''. To be a bannerer was a position of high honour, especially when the flag being carried was of high significance, like the [[France|French]] '''Oriflamme'''.<br />
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==Banner Bearers in the SCA==<br />
Although '''banner bearers''' are not often seen in SCA combat, their inclusion in an army adds panache and like their Mediaeval counterparts, they can be morale boosters for their comrades in arms.<br />
In some scenarios, banner bearers might simply stand near the edge of a battlefield to indicate the presence of a particular '''fighting band''', '''kingdom''', or '''household'''; while in others they may find themselves in the thick of the action.<br />
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Whether or not they take an active part in a battle, banner bearers must be '''authorized fighters'''. They may carry a flag attached to a spear, but it is more appropriate that a banner pole not be a weapon, though it must be sturdy enough to take some punishment without splintering (e.g., rattan or the same fiberglass of which spear shafts are made). Such a banner pole can be used defensively but not to attack.<br />
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[[Category:military]]</div>Donalhttps://cunnan.lochac.sca.org/index.php?title=Banner_Bearer&diff=41851Banner Bearer2011-11-03T18:05:15Z<p>Donal: Changed to reflect the requirement that SCA banner bearers be authorized fighters.</p>
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<div>'''Banner bearer''' is a general term used to describe someone who carries a [[banner]], [[standard]], or some other type of [[flag]] onto the field. <br />
<br />
In armies at different times in history the term [[ancient]] or [[ensign]] is used to describe these bearers in an [[army]] and indicated a [[rank]] that was associated with the post. In [[Medieval]] times, terms for banner bearers included '''bannerer''' and '''banior'''. To be a bannerer was a position of high honour, especially when the flag being carried was of high significance, like the [[France|French]] '''Oriflamme'''.<br />
<br />
==Banner Bearers in the SCA==<br />
Although '''banner bearers''' are not often seen in SCA combat, their inclusion in an army adds panache and like their Mediaeval counterparts, they can be morale boosters for their comrades in arms.<br />
In some scenarios, banner bearers might simply stand near the edge of a battlefield to indicate the presence of a particular '''fighting band''', '''kingdom''', or '''household'''; while in others they may find themselves in the thick of the action.<br />
<br />
Whether or not they take an active part in a battle, banner bearers must be [[authorized fighters]]. They may carry a flag attached to a spear, but it is more appropriate that a banner pole not be a weapon, though it must be sturdy enough to take some punishment without splintering (e.g., rattan or the same fiberglass of which spear shafts are made). Such a banner pole can be used defensively but not to attack.<br />
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[[Category:military]]</div>Donalhttps://cunnan.lochac.sca.org/index.php?title=Banner_Bearer&diff=41850Banner Bearer2011-11-03T18:02:36Z<p>Donal: /* Banner Bearers in the SCA */</p>
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<div>'''Banner bearer''' is a general term used to describe someone who carries a [[banner]], [[standard]], or some other type of [[flag]] onto the field. <br />
<br />
In armies at different times in history the term [[ancient]] or [[ensign]] is used to describe these bearers in an [[army]] and indicated a [[rank]] that was associated with the post. In [[Medieval]] times, terms for banner bearers included [[bannerer]] and [[banior]]. To be a bannerer was a position of high honour, especially when the flag being carried was of high significance, like the [[France|French]] [[Oriflamme]].<br />
<br />
==Banner Bearers in the SCA==<br />
Although '''banner bearers''' are not often seen in SCA combat, their inclusion in an army adds panache and like their Mediaeval counterparts, they can be morale boosters for their comrades in arms.<br />
In some scenarios, banner bearers might simply stand near the edge of a battlefield to indicate the presence of a particular '''fighting band''', '''kingdom''', or '''household'''; while in others they may find themselves in the thick of the action.<br />
<br />
Whether or not they take an active part in a battle, banner bearers must be [[authorized fighters]]. They may carry a flag attached to a spear, but it is more appropriate that a banner pole not be a weapon, though it must be sturdy enough to take some punishment without splintering (e.g., rattan or the same fiberglass of which spear shafts are made). Such a banner pole can be used defensively but not to attack.<br />
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[[Category:military]]</div>Donalhttps://cunnan.lochac.sca.org/index.php?title=Banner_Bearer&diff=41849Banner Bearer2011-11-03T18:00:23Z<p>Donal: </p>
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<div>'''Banner bearer''' is a general term used to describe someone who carries a [[banner]], [[standard]], or some other type of [[flag]] onto the field. <br />
<br />
In armies at different times in history the term [[ancient]] or [[ensign]] is used to describe these bearers in an [[army]] and indicated a [[rank]] that was associated with the post. In [[Medieval]] times, terms for banner bearers included [[bannerer]] and [[banior]]. To be a bannerer was a position of high honour, especially when the flag being carried was of high significance, like the [[France|French]] [[Oriflamme]].<br />
<br />
==Banner Bearers in the SCA==<br />
Although '''banner bearers''' are not often seen in SCA combat, their inclusion in an army adds panache and like their Mediaeval counterparts, they can be morale boosters for their comrades in arms.<br />
In some scenarios, banner bearers might simply stand near the edge of a battlefield to indicate the presence of a particular [[band]], [[kingdom]], or [[household]]; while in others they may find themselves in the thick of the action.<br />
<br />
Whether or not they take an active part in a battle, banner bearers must be [[authorized fighters]]. They may carry a flag attached to a spear, but it is more appropriate that a banner pole not be a weapon, though it must be sturdy enough to take some punishment without splintering (e.g., rattan or the same fiberglass of which spear shafts are made). Such a banner pole can be used defensively but not to attack.<br />
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[[Category:military]]</div>Donalhttps://cunnan.lochac.sca.org/index.php?title=Talk:Banner_Bearer&diff=41845Talk:Banner Bearer2011-11-03T05:34:40Z<p>Donal: </p>
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<div>I do not concur with the assertion that "Being a banner-bearer is a nice, easy way of getting out onto the war field without having to do anything."<br />
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For one, to be a banner-bearer is a position of honour, to be granted to one whose worth, loyalty, and steadfastness are beyond doubt. Even if the bannerer stands at the edge of the battlefield without taking any active part in the conduct of battle, that is a significant responsibility.<br />
<br />
And if, as they actually should, a bannerer stays near the person (Monarch, Head of House, Baron, Commander) whose banner they bear, it can be a job requiring a lot of energy and watchfulness.<br />
- [[User:Donal]]<br />
: Do you say this from experience? Don't forget that this statement is about [[SCA]] [[banner bearer]]s, not [[medieval]] ones. At the time this page was originally written, it seemed that banner bearers were very rare in the SCA. [[Lochac]] seemed to be the only principality/kingdom that supported them within its [[Conventions Of Combat|rules of combat]] as "[[light fighter]]s" were uncommon and only tended to be [[archer]]s in other areas. But even then, there were banner-bearers as a type of [[non-combatant]] [[combatant]] (which is what the statement is discussing) and combatants who carried banners (which is another classification all together).<br />
: Of course, this is a [[wiki]]. If you feel that something is incorrect, incomplete, out-of-date or ambiguous, then go ahead and change it. You don't have to ask for permission. However, thank you for bringing it up in this discussion. Everyone now will have a better idea of the context under which you apply any edits to this page (ie. why you made them). - [[User:Cian|Cian Gillebhrath]] 09:29, 27 October 2011 (EST)<br />
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I have it from the Society Earl Marshal that non-combatant bannerers are not allowed. Perhaps they were at one time, but no more. I intend to write a new entry for the category.</div>Donalhttps://cunnan.lochac.sca.org/index.php?title=Banner_Bearer&diff=41826Banner Bearer2011-10-26T20:23:44Z<p>Donal: </p>
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<div>'''Banner bearer''' is a general term used to describe someone who carries a [[banner]], [[standard]], or some other type of flag onto the field. <br />
<br />
In armies at different times in history the term [[ancient]] or [[ensign]] is used to describe these bearers in an [[army]] and indicated a rank that was associated with the post. In Mediaeval times, terms for banner bearers included [[bannerer]] and [[banior]]. To be a bannerer was a position of high honour, especially when the flag being carried was of high significance, like the French [[Oriflamme]].<br />
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==Banner Bearers in the SCA==<br />
'''Banner bearers''' are a type of [[non-combatant]] that is allowed on the battlefield during [[SCA]] [[war]]s. They are required to know the [[rules of the list]] and wear minimum [[light armour]] (or better) and must be over the age of 16. They are permitted to bear a [[banner]] (hence their name) and can be [[kill]]ed as a [[light]], but cannot attack or kill any fellow combatant.<br />
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Being a banner-bearer is a nice, easy way of getting out onto the war [[field]] without having to do anything.<br />
[[Category:military]]</div>Donalhttps://cunnan.lochac.sca.org/index.php?title=Talk:Banner_Bearer&diff=41825Talk:Banner Bearer2011-10-26T20:11:41Z<p>Donal: Created page with "I do not concur with the assertion that "Being a banner-bearer is a nice, easy way of getting out onto the war field without having to do anything." For one, to be a banner-bear..."</p>
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<div>I do not concur with the assertion that "Being a banner-bearer is a nice, easy way of getting out onto the war field without having to do anything."<br />
<br />
For one, to be a banner-bearer is a position of honour, to be granted to one whose worth, loyalty, and steadfastness are beyond doubt. Even if the bannerer stands at the edge of the battlefield without taking any active part in the conduct of battle, that is a significant responsibility.<br />
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And if, as they actually should, a bannerer stays near the person (Monarch, Head of House, Baron, Commander) whose banner they bear, it can be a job requiring a lot of energy and watchfulness.</div>Donal