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Contact Group in Iraq and Kuwait

2008-06-05T07:42:32Z

Some1:

Contact Information

SCA Name : Kerwyn McMichael

Mundane Name : Daniel Meeker

Addess : 24 Ordnance Company, Camp Arifjan Kuwait

Phone :

Email : autumnwind71@hotmail.com

Contact Group in Afghanistan

2008-06-05T07:42:06Z

Some1:

Contact Information

SCA Name : Sir Mathieu de la Croix

Mundane Name : Mark Lieurance

Addess : RCAG - Kandahar, 1st Bde 205th Corps, APO AE 09355

Phone :

Email :

Contact Group in Switzerland

2008-06-05T07:41:33Z

Some1:

Contact Information

SCA Name : Marcus von Stormarm

Mundane Name : Marcus Kueppers

Addess : Via Cantonale 43G, CH-6930 Bedano Switzerland

Phone : (0)91 930 9544

Email : wulfman@virulent.de

Contact Group in Romania

2008-06-05T07:40:46Z

Some1:

There are two contact groups in Romania.

==Ueberwald==

Romanian nation-ide group (Ueberwald)

Contact Information

SCA Name : Wilhelm von Schrecken

Mundane Name : Otis Crandell

Addess : Simeria, Jud. Hunedoara

Phone :

Email : crandell@bk.ru

==Corvinia==
Hunedoara city group (Corvinia)

Contact Information

SCA Name : Dizo Dundanus

Mundane Name : Stoica Romulus

Addess : BD.Dacia, Nr.23, Bl.G1, Ap 94, Cod. 331099, Hunedoara, Jud.Hunedoara

Phone :

Email : lup_alb_13@yahoo.com

Contact Group in Romania

2008-06-05T07:38:38Z

Some1:

There are two contact groups in Romania.

==Ueberwald==
Romanian nation-ide group (Ueberwald)
Contact Information
SCA Name : Wilhelm von Schrecken
Mundane Name : Otis Crandell
Addess : Simeria, Jud. Hunedoara
Phone :
Email : crandell@bk.ru

==Corvinia==
Hunedoara city group (Corvinia)
Contact Information
SCA Name : Dizo Dundanus
Mundane Name : Stoica Romulus
Addess : BD.Dacia, Nr.23, Bl.G1, Ap 94, Cod. 331099, Hunedoara, Jud.Hunedoara
Phone :
Email : lup_alb_13@yahoo.com

Kingdom of Drachenwald

2008-06-05T07:35:18Z

Some1: /* Contact Groups */

{{SCA Kingdom box|name = Kingdom of Drachenwald|color = red|metal = yellow|device = none posted | caption = [[Or]], three [[pine tree]]s [[eradicated]] in [[fess]] [[gules]], overall a [[dragon]] [[passant]] [[coward]], [[wing]]s [[elevated]] and [[addorsed]], all within a [[laurel wreath]] [[sable]]. | founded = A.S. XXVI | king = Alaric of Bangor | queen = Nerissa de Saye | area = [[Europe]], [[Africa]] and the [[Middle East]]. | parent = [[Kingdom of the East]]}}

'''Drachenwald''' is the [[SCA]] [[kingdom]] consisting of [[Europe]] (including [[Iceland]]), [[Africa]], and the [[Middle East]]. It was earlier a [[principality]] of the [[East Kingdom]]. Reportedly, in the early 1970s it was called the [[Protectorate of Thairsis]], but there are no written records of that. In like manner, the [[Shire of Vielburgen]] was reportedly the first formal SCA [[branch]] on this side of the Great Ocean, but there are no formal records of that either.

Note that the [[region]]s in Drachenwald are not as formal as in other kingdoms. They are purely administrative and may vary between [[kingdom officer]]s.

These are the [[groups]] in the Kingdom of Drachenwald:

== [[Principality of Nordmark]] ==

The Principality of Nordmark is the first [[principality]] of Drachenwald consisting of all parts of [[Sweden]].

*[[Shire of Aros]] (Uppsala, Sweden)
*[[Shire of Attemark]] (Skane, Sweden)
*[[Shire of Baggeholm]] (Blekinge and Bromolla, Sweden)
*[[Shire of Frostheim]] (Boden and Lulea, Sweden)
*[[Shire of Gawaklint]] (Arboga, Gavle, Vasteras and Orebro, Sweden)
*[[Shire of Gotvik]] (Goteborg, Sweden)
*[[Shire of Gyllengran]] (Sundsvall, Sweden)
*[[Shire of Holmrike]] (Stockholm, Sweden)
*[[Shire of Juneborg]] (Jonkoping, Sweden)
*[[Shire of Midre]] (Ostersund, Sweden)
*[[Shire of Skelitta]] (Skelleftea, Sweden)
*[[Barony of Styringheim]] (Gotland, Sweden)
*[[Shire of Ulvberget]] (Skaraborg, Sweden)
*[[Shire of Uma]] (Umea, Sweden)
*[[Shire of Vida Vad]] ( Varnamo, Sweden)
*[[Shire of Viterheim]] (Umea, Sweden)
*[[House of Örehus]] (Part of Attemark, Helsingborg, Sweden)

== [[Crown Principality of Insulae Draconis]] ==

*[[Shire of Eplaheimr]] (Central [[Ireland]])
*[[Shire of Flintheath]] (East Anglia, [[England]])
*[[Shire of Glen Rathlin]] (Northern Ireland)
*[[Shire of Harpelestane]] ([[Scotland]])
*[[Shire of Lough Devnaree]] ([[Dublin]], Ireland)
*[[Shire of Mynydd Gwyn]] (West England and [[Wales]])
*[[Shire of Pont Alarch]] (Northern England, from the Scottish border down to just north of Birmingham and across to the East coast)
*[[Shire of Raven's Keep]] (W Northern Ireland)
*[[Shire of Thamesreach]] ([[London]], England)
*[[Shire of West Dragoningshire]] (South-west England)
*[[Stronghold of Klakavirki]] ([[Iceland]])

== [[Barony of Aarnimetsa]] ==

*[[Canton of Hukka]] (Helsinki, [[Finland]])
*[[Canton of Humalasalo]] (Tampere, Finland)
*[[Canton of Kaarnemaa]] (Oulu, Finland)
*[[Canton of Miehonlinna]] (Kouvola, Valkeala, and Kuusankoski, Finland)
*[[Canton of Poukka]] (Kotka, Finland)
*[[Canton of Torna]] (Kolari to Huivaniemi, Finland)
*[[Canton of Unikankare]] (Turku, Finland)

== [[Germany|German]]-[[Austria]]n Region ==
(Nicknamed "[[Frankmark]]" and "[[Holy Roman Region of the German People]]")

*[[Barony of Knight's Crossing]] (Mannheim, Heidelberg, Wiesbaden, and Darmstadt)
*-- [[Canton of Monarch's Rest]] (Heidelberg and Mannheim)
*-- [[Stronghold of Blauwasser]] (Stuttgart Military Garrison)
*[[Shire of Ad Flumen Caerulum]] (Lower [[Austria]] and [[Vienna]])
*[[Shire of Aventiure]] (Lubeck, Wismar, Kiel, and Schleswig)
*[[Shire of Baerenau]] (Berlin)
*[[Shire of Drachensheim]] (Spangdahlem, Bitburg, and Luxembourg)
*[[Shire of Drei Eichen]] (Dueren, Aachen, and Niederrhein)
*[[Shire of Greifenthal]] (Giessen)
*[[Shire of Heilig-Drei-Koenige]] (Cologne)
*[[Shire of Isengau]] (Munich)
*[[Shire of Meadowmarsh]] (Hanau and Frankfurt)
*[[Shire of Turmstadt]] (Nuremberg, Erlangen, Bamberg)
* -- [[Stronghold]] of [[Nebelwald]] (Hohenfels, Vilseck, and Grafenwoehr Military Garrisons)
* -- [[Stronghold of Rauchenderberg]] (Schweinfurt, Wuerzburg, Bad Kissingen, and Kitzingen)
*[[Shire of Two Seas]] (Hamburg)
*[[Shire of Vielburgen]] (Kaiserslautern, Saarbruecken, and Ramstein)
*[[Stronghold of Schwarzloch]] (Ansbach and Illesheim Military Garrisons)

== Borderlands Region ==
(Nicknamed "The [[Empire of Drachenwald]]")

*[[Shire of Adamastor]] (Western Cape, [[South Africa]])
*[[Shire of Alcazar de Brioga]] ([[Spain]] and the [[Canary Islands]])
*[[Incipient]] [[Shire of Corvinia]] (Hunedoara city, [[Romania]])
*[[Shire of Eresborg]] (Copenhagen, [[Denmark]])
*[[Shire of Griffin's Tor]] (Johannesburg and Gauteng, South Africa)
*[[Maale_Giborim|Shire of Ma'ale Gibborim]] ([[Israel]])
*[[Shire of Nea Nikopolis]] ([[Greece]])
*[[Shire of Polderslot]] ([[Netherlands]] and [[Belgium]])
*[[Shire of Ranaan]] ([[Milan]], [[Italy]])
*[[Stronghold of Campofiamme]] ([[Naples]], Italy)
*[[Stronghold of Infirmus Mons Aureus]] (Aviano and Vicenza, Italy)

=== Contact Groups ===
*[[Contact Group in Switzerland]] ([[Switzerland]])
*[[Contact Group in Sicily]] ([[Sicily]], [[Italy]])
*[[Contact Group in Romania]] ([[Romania]])
*[[Contact Group in Iraq and Kuwait]] ([[Iraq]] and [[Kuwait]])
*[[Contact Group in Bahrain]] ([[Bahrain]])
*[[Contact Group in Afghanistan]] ([[Afghanistan]])
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==Royalty==
===[[Prince]]s and [[Princess]]es of Drachenwald===

I 1980-2 Jahn and Tuiren 
II 1981-1 Bearengear and Nige 
III 1981-2 David and Catherine 
IV 1982-1 Doran and Vincetta 
V 1982-2 Raim and Regina 
VI 1983-1 Wolf and Caitriona 
VII 1983-2 Alexander and Katya 
VIII 1984-1 Galen and Kaylitha 
IX 1984-2 Raim and Gwynna 
X 1985-1 Dafydd and Morgan 
XI 1985-2 Richard and Joedda 
XII 1986-1 Wulfbrand and Lucilla 
XIII 1986-2 Justin and Gyth 
XIV 1987-1 Ulric and Eleonora 
XV 1987-2 Ivar and Kathleen 
XVI 1988-1 Gwenllian and Stefan 
XVII 1988-2 Axel and Jeanmaire 
XVIII 1989-1 Ian and Charitee 
XIX 1989-2 Yoshina and Ivone 
XX 1990-1 Bryon and Silesia 
XXI 1990-2 Karl and Bettina 
XXII 1991-1 Cian and Catherine 
XXIII 1991-2 Morgan and Alienor 
XXIV 1992-1 Myles and Katharina 
XXV 1992-2 Gareth and Idunn 
XXVI 1993-1 Karl and Leia 

===[[King]]s and [[Queen]]s of Drachenwald===

I 1993-2 Elffin and Vanna 
II 1994-1 Morgan and Alienor 
III 1994-2 Wulfric and Eira 
IV 1995-1 Timoch and Adelicia 
V 1995-2 Michael and Melusine 
VI 1996-1 Garick and Talitha 
VII 1996-2 Edouard and Eanor 
VIII 1997-1 Elffin and Vanna 
IX 1997-2 Jurgan and Lilliard 
X 1998-1 Matthew and Anna 
XI 1998-2 Sven and Thora 
XII 1999-1 Prothall and Cecilia 
XIII 1999-2 Matthew and Anna 
XIV 2000-1 Elffin and Alessandra Melusine 
XV 2000-2 Prothall and Cecilia 
XVI 2001-1 Peregrine and Alessandra Melunsine 
XVII 2001-2 Elffin and Signy 
XVIII 2002-1 Gerhardt and Aurelia 
XIX 2002-2 Giles and EzaBella 
XX 2003-1 Matthew and Alienor 
XXI 2003-2 Marcus and Anna 
XXII 2004-1 Elffin and Signy 
XXIII 2004-2 John and Honor 
XXIV 2005-1 Padraig and Elsa 
XXV 2005-2 Cadogan and Eufemia 
XXVI 2006-1 Sven and Thora 
XXVII 2006-2 Michael and Moira 
XXVIII 2007-1 Maximilian and Marguerite 

===[[Prince]]s and [[Princess]]es of [[Nordmark]]===

I 1997-2 Johann and Celemon 
II 1998-1 Gilliam and Blanka 
III 1998-2 Hartmann and Marie 
IV 1999-1 Arngrim and El鮯re 
V 1999-2 Padraig and Elsa 
VI 2000-1 Cormac and Elise 
VII 2000-2 Fandral and Vilde 
VIII 2001-1 Padraig and Elsa 
IX 2001-2 Brendan 
X 2002-1 Gabriel and Eyba 
XI 2002-2 M害 and Fenella 
XII 2003-1 Brendan and Anna 

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==Website==
The main kingdom website can be found at http://www.drachenwald.sca.org/

{{SCA Kingdom}}
[[Category:Kingdoms (SCA)|Drachenwald]]

Shire of Corvinia

2008-06-05T07:29:42Z

Some1:

The '''Incipient Shire of Corvinia''' is an [[SCA]] [[branch]] located in Hunedoara [[city]] in southern Transylvania, [[Romania]].

This is the first [[shire]] to ever form in Romania (or at least it will be if we can ever get off our butts and finish the application for shire status). It was formed in 2006 with the help of colleagues from the [[Shire of Ad Flumen Caerulum]] and Lord Barcsi Janos who donated the first [[membership]]s necessary to form a shire. Lord Arnulf and Lord Janos also helped a lot by their motivational encouragement and advice (and of course financial support, which unfortunately has dried up) as the shire formed.

The Shire of Corvinia is based at the [[Corvinus Castle]] (or to be more precise, the Knights of Hunedoara theatrical group, which markets itself as the Romanian representatives of the SCA, is based at the Corvinus Castle) where it regularly holds [[fighter training]] and puts on presentations for the tourists who visit the [[castle]] in exchange for a modest fee. The [[lord]]s and [[lady|ladies]] of this shire often give presentations at public and private [[event]]s. The shire has appeared many times in the newspaper and on television. And of course, being good businessmen, we always make sure to get paid well for any performance or event that we attend. (Unlike our fellow SCAdians who just do this stuff just for fun.)

=== See Also ===
* [[Shires in Romania]] - an explanation of why the shire only includes one city, not all of Romania

[[category:shires (SCA)|Corvinia]]

Shire of Corvinia

2008-06-05T07:29:14Z

Some1:

The '''Shire of Corvinia''' is an [[SCA]] [[branch]] located in Hunedoara [[city]] in southern Transylvania, [[Romania]].

This is the first [[shire]] to ever form in Romania (or at least it will be if we can ever get off our butts and finish the application for shire status). It was formed in 2006 with the help of colleagues from the [[Shire of Ad Flumen Caerulum]] and Lord Barcsi Janos who donated the first [[membership]]s necessary to form a shire. Lord Arnulf and Lord Janos also helped a lot by their motivational encouragement and advice (and of course financial support, which unfortunately has dried up) as the shire formed.

The Shire of Corvinia is based at the [[Corvinus Castle]] (or to be more precise, the Knights of Hunedoara theatrical group, which markets itself as the Romanian representatives of the SCA, is based at the Corvinus Castle) where it regularly holds [[fighter training]] and puts on presentations for the tourists who visit the [[castle]] in exchange for a modest fee. The [[lord]]s and [[lady|ladies]] of this shire often give presentations at public and private [[event]]s. The shire has appeared many times in the newspaper and on television. And of course, being good businessmen, we always make sure to get paid well for any performance or event that we attend. (Unlike our fellow SCAdians who just do this stuff just for fun.)

=== See Also ===
* [[Shires in Romania]] - an explanation of why the shire only includes one city, not all of Romania

[[category:shires (SCA)|Corvinia]]

Shire of Corvinia

2008-06-05T07:28:45Z

Some1: Added details

The '''Shire of Corvinia''' is an [[SCA]] [[branch]] located in Hunedoara [[city]] in southern Transylvania, [[Romania]].

This is the first [[shire]] to ever form in Romania (or at least it will be we can ever get off our butts and finish the application for shire status). It was formed in 2006 with the help of colleagues from the [[Shire of Ad Flumen Caerulum]] and Lord Barcsi Janos who donated the first [[membership]]s necessary to form a shire. Lord Arnulf and Lord Janos also helped a lot by their motivational encouragement and advice (and of course financial support, which unfortunately has dried up) as the shire formed.

The Shire of Corvinia is based at the [[Corvinus Castle]] (or to be more precise, the Knights of Hunedoara theatrical group, which markets itself as the Romanian representatives of the SCA, is based at the Corvinus Castle) where it regularly holds [[fighter training]] and puts on presentations for the tourists who visit the [[castle]] in exchange for a modest fee. The [[lord]]s and [[lady|ladies]] of this shire often give presentations at public and private [[event]]s. The shire has appeared many times in the newspaper and on television. And of course, being good businessmen, we always make sure to get paid well for any performance or event that we attend. (Unlike our fellow SCAdians who just do this stuff just for fun.)

=== See Also ===
* [[Shires in Romania]] - an explanation of why the shire only includes one city, not all of Romania

[[category:shires (SCA)|Corvinia]]

Shires in Romania

2008-06-05T07:16:51Z

Some1:

''Herebe someone's explanation of why there formed in [[Romania]] a [[shire]] for a single [[city]] and not nation wide.''

This is a long and complicated scandal but here is a short summary.

Originally there were several people throughout Romania who were interested in forming a [[SCA]] [[group]]. At the beginning they worked well together and all contributed ideas. It soon became suspected that one of the main supporters of this idea was in fact not really in Romania but only pretending to be (I don't know why this person pretended). This person was supposed to be the main contact for people in the south east, particularly [[Bucharest]]. So, since this person wasn't there, they appeared communication problems and we lost contact with potential [[member]]s in Bucharest.

One of the other main people that supported this initiative found many people who wanted to become members but they were students of history and treated the other members with ill contempt because they felt that the non-historian members didn't know something about history. Although they were probably very well educated in history and could contribute much to the group, they were never ready to put their [[money]] where their mouths were. That is to say, they never made a single [[clothing|costume]] or [[weapon]] and didn't hold any [[event]]s or [[fighter practice]]s. As well, they reacted too quickly when making decisions and couldn't make rational plans. This caused conflicts with the group of serious re-enactors that was forming in Hunedoara.

At this time, the SCA in the rest of [[Drachenwald]] was interested in forming a shire in Romania. With the help of the members in [[Vienna]] (the [[Shire of Ad Flumen Caerulum]]) who offered to the members in Romania several membership donations it was possible for a shire to form. The [[Kingdom]] [[Seneschal]] at that time, Lord Barcsi Janos, decided that it would be better to form a small local shire of people who had shown themselves capable of running a shire and who embraced the ideals of the SCA than to form a nationwide shire which would encourage further fighting within the group.

Of course, this caused a certain amount of complaints and scandals following the announcement that Hunedoara would form a shire. But that soon passed and the history students went back to studying and things have progressed well since then. It is likely that eventually other shire will also form in Romania but more likely as individual cities and not a nationwide shire as it is more stable for the groups this way. Each can do as it pleases. Probably even those who were against the Hunedoara shire will eventually also form a shire of their own when they become more organised.

The other explanation though, is that it was a very simple and straight forward scandal. The members from Hunedoara city (in particular Dizo Dundanus) never learned how to play together nicely with the other kids, so they threw a temper tantrum when some people wouldn't do as they were told. In order to get their own way, they lied to their contacts outside Romania and said that everyeone outside Hunedoara city were not serious reenactors, were arrogant and egotistical, and lazy. To prove how they had decicated their lives to reenacting and to the great cause of forming an SCA shire in Romania they showed pictures from one of the open air theatre groups that specialises in the mediaeval dressed actors. Of course, they did go to events, but only if the event organisers paid them or if they city hall sent them as one of the city theatrical groups (and paid them). In the end, they got to claim that they were representatives of an international organisation of professional reenactors (which was great for getting more clients), but when they realised that they weren't going to get any financing from the SCA they never finished their application to form a shire. Unfortunately, most of the members from other cities, beleived Dizo's claims that he had "come to an understanding" with the Kingdom officers, and presumed the SCA to be just as corrupt as most Romanian organisations. Subsequently they lost interest in the SCA and either joined another local group or dropped reenacting altogether.

Of course, to an outsider either of these two summaries will seem equally as likely to be true, and most will probably assume that the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Pity though that most people will consider the truth to be somewhere in the middle of both explanations because then an honest person's story has no chance to stand against a liars because the clever liar will just make a bigger lie to sway the "middle story" in his favour. And that's how we have come to the present situation of there being NO shire in Romania.

=== See also ===
* [[Shire of Corvinia]]

[[category:SCA_politics]]

Shires in Romania

2008-06-05T07:13:26Z

Some1: Another explanation

''Herebe someone's explanation of why there formed in [[Romania]] a [[shire]] for a single [[city]] and not nation wide.''

This is a long and complicated scandal but here is a short summary.

Originally there were several people throughout Romania who were interested in forming a [[SCA]] [[group]]. At the beginning they worked well together and all contributed ideas. It soon became suspected that one of the main supporters of this idea was in fact not really in Romania but only pretending to be (I don't know why this person pretended). This person was supposed to be the main contact for people in the south east, particularly [[Bucharest]]. So, since this person wasn't there, they appeared communication problems and we lost contact with potential [[member]]s in Bucharest.

One of the other main people that supported this initiative found many people who wanted to become members but they were students of history and treated the other members with ill contempt because they felt that the non-historian members didn't know something about history. Although they were probably very well educated in history and could contribute much to the group, they were never ready to put their [[money]] where their mouths were. That is to say, they never made a single [[clothing|costume]] or [[weapon]] and didn't hold any [[event]]s or [[fighter practice]]s. As well, they reacted too quickly when making decisions and couldn't make rational plans. This caused conflicts with the group of serious re-enactors that was forming in Hunedoara.

At this time, the SCA in the rest of [[Drachenwald]] was interested in forming a shire in Romania. With the help of the members in [[Vienna]] (the [[Shire of Ad Flumen Caerulum]]) who offered to the members in Romania several membership donations it was possible for a shire to form. The [[Kingdom]] [[Seneschal]] at that time, Lord Barcsi Janos, decided that it would be better to form a small local shire of people who had shown themselves capable of running a shire and who embraced the ideals of the SCA than to form a nationwide shire which would encourage further fighting within the group.

Of course, this caused a certain amount of complaints and scandals following the announcement that Hunedoara would form a shire. But that soon passed and the history students went back to studying and things have progressed well since then. It is likely that eventually other shire will also form in Romania but more likely as individual cities and not a nationwide shire as it is more stable for the groups this way. Each can do as it pleases. Probably even those who were against the Hunedoara shire will eventually also form a shire of their own when they become more organised.

The other explanation though, is that it was a very simple and straight forward scandal. The members from Hunedoara city (in particular Dizo Dundanus) never learned how to play together nicely with the other kids, so they threw a temper tantrum when some people wouldn't do as they were told. In order to get their own way, they lied to their contacts outside Romania and said that everyeone outside Hunedoara city were not serious reenactors, were arrogant and egotistical, and lazy. To prove how they had decicated their lives to reenacting and to the great cause of forming an SCA shire in Romania they showed pictures from some one of the open air theatre groups that specialises in the mediaeval period. Of course, they did go to events, but only if the event organisers paid them or if they city hall sent them as one of the city theatrical groups (and paid them). In the end, they got to claim that they were representatives of an international organisation of professional reenactors (which was great for getting more clients), but when they realised that they weren't going to get any financing from the SCA they never finished their application to form a shire. Unfortunately, most of the members from other cities, beleived Dizo's claims that he had "come to an understanding" with the Kingdom officers, and presumed the SCA to be just as corrupt as most Romanian organisations. Subsequently they lost interest in the SCA and either joined another local group or dropped reenacting altogether.

Of course, to an outsider either of these two summaries will seem equally as likely to be true, and most will probably assume that the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Pity though that most people will consider the truth to be somewhere in the middle of both explanations because then an honest person's story has no chance to stand against a liars because the clever liar will just make a bigger lie to sway the "middle story" in his favour. And that's how we have come to the present situation of there being NO shire in Romania.

=== See also ===
* [[Shire of Corvinia]]

[[category:SCA_politics]]

Shires in Romania

2008-06-05T07:09:43Z

Some1:

''Herebe someone's explanation of why there formed in [[Romania]] a [[shire]] for a single [[city]] and not nation wide.''

This is a long and complicated scandal but here is a short summary.

Originally there were several people throughout Romania who were interested in forming a [[SCA]] [[group]]. At the beginning they worked well together and all contributed ideas. It soon became suspected that one of the main supporters of this idea was in fact not really in Romania but only pretending to be (I don't know why this person pretended). This person was supposed to be the main contact for people in the south east, particularly [[Bucharest]]. So, since this person wasn't there, they appeared communication problems and we lost contact with potential [[member]]s in Bucharest.

One of the other main people that supported this initiative found many people who wanted to become members but they were students of history and treated the other members with ill contempt because they felt that the non-historian members didn't know something about history. Although they were probably very well educated in history and could contribute much to the group, they were never ready to put their [[money]] where their mouths were. That is to say, they never made a single [[clothing|costume]] or [[weapon]] and didn't hold any [[event]]s or [[fighter practice]]s. As well, they reacted too quickly when making decisions and couldn't make rational plans. This caused conflicts with the group of serious re-enactors that was forming in Hunedoara.

At this time, the SCA in the rest of [[Drachenwald]] was interested in forming a shire in Romania. With the help of the members in [[Vienna]] (the [[Shire of Ad Flumen Caerulum]]) who offered to the members in Romania several membership donations it was possible for a shire to form. The [[Kingdom]] [[Seneschal]] at that time, Lord Barcsi Janos, decided that it would be better to form a small local shire of people who had shown themselves capable of running a shire and who embraced the ideals of the SCA than to form a nationwide shire which would encourage further fighting within the group.

Of course, this caused a certain amount of complaints and scandals following the announcement that Hunedoara would form a shire. But that soon passed and the history students went back to studying and things have progressed well since then. It is likely that eventually other shire will also form in Romania but more likely as individual cities and not a nationwide shire as it is more stable for the groups this way. Each can do as it pleases. Probably even those who were against the Hunedoara shire will eventually also form a shire of their own when they become more organised.

The other explanation though, is that it was a very simple and straight forward scandal. The members from Hunedoara city (in particular Dizo Diarrhealis) never learned how to play together nicely with the other kids, so they threw a temper tantrum when some people wouldn't do as they were told. In order to get their own way, they lied to their contacts outside Romania and said that everyeone outside Hunedoara city were not serious reenactors, were arrogant and egotistical, and lazy. To prove how they had decicated their lives to reenacting and to the great cause of forming an SCA shire in Romania they showed pictures from some one of the open air theatre groups that specialises in the mediaeval period. Of course, they did go to events, but only if the event organisers paid them or if they city hall sent them as one of the city theatrical groups (and paid them). In the end, they got to claim that they were representatives of an international organisation of professional reenactors (which was great for getting more clients), but when they realised that they weren't going to get any financing from the SCA they never finished their application to form a shire. Unfortunately, most of the members from other cities, beleived Dizo's claims that he had "come to an understanding" with the Kingdom officers, and presumed the SCA to be just as corrupt as most Romanian organisations. Subsequently they lost interest in the SCA and either joined another local group or dropped reenacting altogether.

Of course, to an outsider either of these two summaries will seem equally as likely to be true, and most will probably assume that the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Pity though that most people will consider the truth to be somewhere in the middle of both explanations because then an honest person's story has no chance to stand against a liars because the clever liar will just make a bigger lie to sway the "middle story" in his favour. And that's how we have come to the present situation of there being NO shire in Romania.

=== See also ===
* [[Shire of Corvinia]]

[[category:SCA_politics]]

Talk:Shires in Romania

2008-06-05T06:46:22Z

Some1:

==Biased?==

Gee. I wonder who created this page. I couldn't have possibly been someone from Hunedoara city, could it? But no, I doubt they would stoop so low as to discredit their neighbours by spreading lies and half truths. That would be dishonourable. Just because they did it a lot before, is no reason to beleive that they would still be doing it. Surely it must be someone else who wrote this page.
--[[User:Some1|Some1]] 16:46, 5 June 2008 (EST)