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Cunnan:Village pump

2004-08-08T01:34:18Z

Sir Michael:

In [[Medieval village]]s people would gather at the '''Village Pump''' to discuss those items that were important to their lives. On [[Cunnan]] the Village Pump serves a similar purpose: Giving users a place to meet and discuss current events, policy and content.
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[http://www.sca.org.au/cunnan/wiki.phtml?title=Cunnan:Village_pump&action=edit&section=new You can add a new topic/question by clicking here.]
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== Announcements ==
* Some of the old Village pump articles have been moved to save space:
** [[Cunnan:Old Village pump discussions (moved 2003)|Moved during 2003]]
** [[Cunnan:Old Village pump discussions (moved 2004)|Moved during 2004]]

== Topics ==

=== sca.org.au documentation ===

Just wondering whether cunnan might be a useful place to store the documentation that I have started to put together for the databases and stuff on sca.org.au? This includes the new registry & groups database, and the events database (currently mentioned on the Arrowsreach wiki, but plan to start coding on it soon).

Specifically, neither the FAQ nor the policy document says what sort of articles are OK to put on Cunnan. The front page says it's a medieval & renaissance wiki with an SCA slant but that doesn't really cover it in my opinion. The SCA covers lots of areas, and there probably could be a lot of stuff added here about SCA administration, etc, but it isn't really related to the middle ages or renaissance.

Also, a side note, sca.org.au is going to get an OS upgrade sometime during October. That will mean things like a new PHP version, a new version of Apache (from 1.3 to 2.0) etc. Keep an eye on the site mailing list for annoucements.

[[User:Del|Del]]

: My view is that this is a beginner's encyclopaedia to the [[Middle Ages]]. It is being written with the knowledge that [[recreationist]]s are the main users. A decision had obviously been made in the past that the pages were allowed to relate the historical data specifically to how the [[SCA]] is played. This has been expanded by writers (like me) into pages that are specifically on how the SCA runs (cf. [[Board of Directors]] etc). I helped here to reduce the ambiguity of SCA jargon between branches and help define the roles of [[officer]]s etc for those outside the offices. However, I still feel that the main purpose of [[Cunnan]] should be basic historical information. While it could be used as an SCA database, that should not swamp the rest of the system. This is especially important if the SCA stuff was just relating to one [[Kingdom]], not the SCA as a whole. - [[User:Cian|Cian Gillebhrath]] 14:53, 2 Aug 2004 (EST)

=== Another upgrade ===
Those of you who contribute to the Wikipedia will have noticed that over the past few days it has undergone a major facelift as well as having a major feature upgrade. Once the software settles down and the new version is released to the public I will install it here. - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] 10:43, 1 Jun 2004 (EST)

:The upgrade is now complete. I apologize for the abruptness of the upgrade but there was a problem with the old software (I would have had to reinstall it or install this newer version). The new interface can be customized and we will have category support again.

:As always you should report any problems here. - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] 18:14, 8 Jun 2004 (EST)

Uploading has been disabled. Was this deliberate, or is it as a result of the upgrade? [[User:Conrad Leviston|Conrad Leviston]] 00:11, 10 Jun 2004 (EST)

:It was deliberate (and done on account of the upgrade). I've re-enabled uploads now. - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] 01:14, 10 Jun 2004 (EST)

=== Information taken from Wikipedia ===
I've noticed that Cunnan is listed on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copies_of_Wikipedia_content_%28low_degree_of_compliance%29 (under SCA wiki). I think that we are listed on the wrong page since we meet the criteria for moderate compliance but that is beside the point. We really should do something about this when we come across articles of our that are copied from the Wikipedia. Just adding "Some of this articles content were taken from the Wikipedia article at ''http://whateverurl''" would be sufficient. - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] 10:43, 1 Jun 2004 (EST)

=== re/moving misspelt page titles ===

Hi,
I have noticed that there is a page for Pavillions. This is a misspelling of Pavilions and while I have corrected all the words inside the page, I don't know how to move the filename. The only way I know is to make a new Pavilions page and redirect Pavillions to it but I am not happy to do this.

Please advise,

Cian, the spelling pedant.

:If you are logged in (which you seem to be). You can move a page by clicking the "move" link. It should be along the top of the article (if you are using the new design) or in the left hand set of menus (if you are using the old design). You'll be asked where to move the page to and the old version will be turned into a redirect. - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] (PS writing <nowiki>~~~</nowiki> will automatically sign your name on talk pages)

=== Yet another upgrade ===
There will be a minor version upgrade tonight (sorry about the short notice). There will be no (big) cosmetic changes this time just a few bug-fixes. - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] 19:15, 8 Jul 2004 (EST)

:Done. If anything explodes mention it here. - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] 20:13, 8 Jul 2004 (EST)

:Grrr, I broke special characters again. Fixed again. I'll update the database to UTF-8 soon so that this doesn't keep happening. - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] 20:36, 8 Jul 2004 (EST)

::Not sure if it is related to these changes, but I had something break, I was looking at my watchlist and clikced of "7 days" and it gave me this error:

:::Fatal error: Call to undefined function: floatval() in /home/sca/public_html/cunnan/includes/SpecialWatchlist.php on line 74
::::: Should be fixed now. - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] 19:59, 13 Jul 2004 (EST)

::it was the same when I tried clicking on the other day or hour fields for this page. Cheers, [[User:Taryn|taryn]]

::I'm getting the following whenever I use the search box and click [Search]
:::Warning: Wrong datatype for second argument in call to in_array in /home/sca/public_html/cunnan/includes/FulltextStoplist.php on line 588
:::Warning: Wrong datatype for second argument in call to in_array in /home/sca/public_html/cunnan/includes/FulltextStoplist.php on line 588
:: - [[User:Cian|Cian Gillebhrath]] 15:08, 13 Jul 2004 (EST)

===Copying from Wikipedia?===

Is it OK to copy articles from Wikipedia to add here? I would of course put the Wikipedia legal stuff on the copied content. I am not sure if this fits this community so I thought I would ask. [[User:Sir Michael|Sir Michael]] 22:22, 30 Jul 2004 (EST)

: Copying from the Wikipedia is fine '''if''' you add something like "Some of this article's content were taken from the Wikipedia article at http://whateverurl". - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] 23:11, 30 Jul 2004 (EST)

===New Article===

I am planning on writing an article on libraries in Europe during the [[middle ages]]. I will probably take some info from Wikipedia and add stuff from my own knowledge of library history. Where should I add the internal links? I don't want to orphan this article. I think [[education]] and [[university]] are good starts. Are there others? Thanks. [[User:Sir Michael|Sir Michael]] 11:34, 8 Aug 2004 (EST)

Cunnan:Village pump

2004-08-08T01:33:23Z

Sir Michael: New Article Question

In [[Medieval village]]s people would gather at the '''Village Pump''' to discuss those items that were important to their lives. On [[Cunnan]] the Village Pump serves a similar purpose: Giving users a place to meet and discuss current events, policy and content.
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[http://www.sca.org.au/cunnan/wiki.phtml?title=Cunnan:Village_pump&action=edit&section=new You can add a new topic/question by clicking here.]
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== Announcements ==
* Some of the old Village pump articles have been moved to save space:
** [[Cunnan:Old Village pump discussions (moved 2003)|Moved during 2003]]
** [[Cunnan:Old Village pump discussions (moved 2004)|Moved during 2004]]

== Topics ==

=== sca.org.au documentation ===

Just wondering whether cunnan might be a useful place to store the documentation that I have started to put together for the databases and stuff on sca.org.au? This includes the new registry & groups database, and the events database (currently mentioned on the Arrowsreach wiki, but plan to start coding on it soon).

Specifically, neither the FAQ nor the policy document says what sort of articles are OK to put on Cunnan. The front page says it's a medieval & renaissance wiki with an SCA slant but that doesn't really cover it in my opinion. The SCA covers lots of areas, and there probably could be a lot of stuff added here about SCA administration, etc, but it isn't really related to the middle ages or renaissance.

Also, a side note, sca.org.au is going to get an OS upgrade sometime during October. That will mean things like a new PHP version, a new version of Apache (from 1.3 to 2.0) etc. Keep an eye on the site mailing list for annoucements.

[[User:Del|Del]]

: My view is that this is a beginner's encyclopaedia to the [[Middle Ages]]. It is being written with the knowledge that [[recreationist]]s are the main users. A decision had obviously been made in the past that the pages were allowed to relate the historical data specifically to how the [[SCA]] is played. This has been expanded by writers (like me) into pages that are specifically on how the SCA runs (cf. [[Board of Directors]] etc). I helped here to reduce the ambiguity of SCA jargon between branches and help define the roles of [[officer]]s etc for those outside the offices. However, I still feel that the main purpose of [[Cunnan]] should be basic historical information. While it could be used as an SCA database, that should not swamp the rest of the system. This is especially important if the SCA stuff was just relating to one [[Kingdom]], not the SCA as a whole. - [[User:Cian|Cian Gillebhrath]] 14:53, 2 Aug 2004 (EST)

=== Another upgrade ===
Those of you who contribute to the Wikipedia will have noticed that over the past few days it has undergone a major facelift as well as having a major feature upgrade. Once the software settles down and the new version is released to the public I will install it here. - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] 10:43, 1 Jun 2004 (EST)

:The upgrade is now complete. I apologize for the abruptness of the upgrade but there was a problem with the old software (I would have had to reinstall it or install this newer version). The new interface can be customized and we will have category support again.

:As always you should report any problems here. - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] 18:14, 8 Jun 2004 (EST)

Uploading has been disabled. Was this deliberate, or is it as a result of the upgrade? [[User:Conrad Leviston|Conrad Leviston]] 00:11, 10 Jun 2004 (EST)

:It was deliberate (and done on account of the upgrade). I've re-enabled uploads now. - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] 01:14, 10 Jun 2004 (EST)

=== Information taken from Wikipedia ===
I've noticed that Cunnan is listed on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copies_of_Wikipedia_content_%28low_degree_of_compliance%29 (under SCA wiki). I think that we are listed on the wrong page since we meet the criteria for moderate compliance but that is beside the point. We really should do something about this when we come across articles of our that are copied from the Wikipedia. Just adding "Some of this articles content were taken from the Wikipedia article at ''http://whateverurl''" would be sufficient. - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] 10:43, 1 Jun 2004 (EST)

=== re/moving misspelt page titles ===

Hi,
I have noticed that there is a page for Pavillions. This is a misspelling of Pavilions and while I have corrected all the words inside the page, I don't know how to move the filename. The only way I know is to make a new Pavilions page and redirect Pavillions to it but I am not happy to do this.

Please advise,

Cian, the spelling pedant.

:If you are logged in (which you seem to be). You can move a page by clicking the "move" link. It should be along the top of the article (if you are using the new design) or in the left hand set of menus (if you are using the old design). You'll be asked where to move the page to and the old version will be turned into a redirect. - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] (PS writing <nowiki>~~~</nowiki> will automatically sign your name on talk pages)

=== Yet another upgrade ===
There will be a minor version upgrade tonight (sorry about the short notice). There will be no (big) cosmetic changes this time just a few bug-fixes. - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] 19:15, 8 Jul 2004 (EST)

:Done. If anything explodes mention it here. - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] 20:13, 8 Jul 2004 (EST)

:Grrr, I broke special characters again. Fixed again. I'll update the database to UTF-8 soon so that this doesn't keep happening. - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] 20:36, 8 Jul 2004 (EST)

::Not sure if it is related to these changes, but I had something break, I was looking at my watchlist and clikced of "7 days" and it gave me this error:

:::Fatal error: Call to undefined function: floatval() in /home/sca/public_html/cunnan/includes/SpecialWatchlist.php on line 74
::::: Should be fixed now. - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] 19:59, 13 Jul 2004 (EST)

::it was the same when I tried clicking on the other day or hour fields for this page. Cheers, [[User:Taryn|taryn]]

::I'm getting the following whenever I use the search box and click [Search]
:::Warning: Wrong datatype for second argument in call to in_array in /home/sca/public_html/cunnan/includes/FulltextStoplist.php on line 588
:::Warning: Wrong datatype for second argument in call to in_array in /home/sca/public_html/cunnan/includes/FulltextStoplist.php on line 588
:: - [[User:Cian|Cian Gillebhrath]] 15:08, 13 Jul 2004 (EST)

===Copying from Wikipedia?===

Is it OK to copy articles from Wikipedia to add here? I would of course put the Wikipedia legal stuff on the copied content. I am not sure if this fits this community so I thought I would ask. [[User:Sir Michael|Sir Michael]] 22:22, 30 Jul 2004 (EST)

: Copying from the Wikipedia is fine '''if''' you add something like "Some of this article's content were taken from the Wikipedia article at http://whateverurl". - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] 23:11, 30 Jul 2004 (EST)

==New Article==

I am planning on writing an article on libraries in Europe during the [[middle ages]]. I will probably take some info from Wikipedia and add stuff from my own knowledge of library history. Where should I add the internal links? I don't want to orphan this article. I think [[education]] and [[university]] are good starts. Are there others? Thanks. [[User:Sir Michael|Sir Michael]]

Education

2004-08-08T01:29:16Z

Sir Michael: Added info on universities during the middle ages.

'''Education''' is a [[luxury]] and in early [[period]] it was something only a few people could afford. This changed somewhat with the [[Renaissance]].

Formal education was not a necessity for the overwhelming majority of people throughout much of the period. Far more important than academic learning was maximising the numbers of healthy bodies producing the goods needed to merely survive (primarily food, clothing and shelter). Work as a contributing member of the community commenced practically as soon as one was able to walk and follow simple instructions. Formal education is only able to be afforded in extremely affluent societies.

During period [[university]] lectures were, almost always, given in [[Latin]].

Arguably the first university was the Academy founded in 387 BC by the Greek philosopher Plato in the grove of Academos near Athens, where students were taught [[philosophy]], [[mathematics]] and [[gymnastics]].

The first European medieval universities were established in Bologna ([[Italy]]) and Paris ([[France]]) in the [[Middle Ages]] for the study of [[law]], [[medicine]], and [[theology]]. Before that, similar institutions already existed in the Islamic world, notably in Cairo. The most important Asian university was Nalanda, in Bihar, India, where the second century Buddhist philosopher Nagarjuna was based.

Part of this article is based on a Wikipedia article at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University].

Vatican

2004-08-05T01:55:02Z

Sir Michael: New paragraph expanding on changes in Vatican territorial control from the 4th Century on to 1860.

The '''Vatican''' today is the residence of the [[pope]], in [[Rome]].

During the [[Middle Ages]] and [[Renaissance]] the [[feudal]] holdings of the [[pope]] were much larger, and included all of [[Rome]] and much of central [[Italy]] stretching west to the [[Adriatic]] coast. This area, known as the [[Papal State]]s included the [[Duchy]] of [[Urbino]] as well as [[Viterbo]] and other lands.

The Holy See's diplomatic history began in the fourth century, but the boundaries of the papacy's temporal power have shifted over the centuries. From the 8th century through the middle of the 19th century, the Popes held sway over the Papal States, which included a broad band of territory across central Italy. In 1860, after prolonged civil and regional unrest, Victor Emmanuel's army seized the Papal States, leaving only Rome and surrounding coastal regions under papal control.

== References ==

* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_City Vatican City at wikipedia]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Prussian_war Franco-Prussian war]
* [http://www.historyofnations.net/europe/theholysee.html History of The Holy See (Vatican City State)]

User:Sir Michael

2004-08-05T01:50:07Z

Sir Michael:

Hi, I am a librarian living in Michigan, USA. I think Wiki projects are a great idea and help to promote information on the Web. I plan on working on an article or two from time to time primarily dealing with country studies as this is one of my specialities as a librarian. Looking at the broader historical record of a country is helpul for when considering the history of a country in the middle ages.

My one complaint about Wikis (and it will be featured in an article which I am writing for the journal '''American Libraries''') is the amount of link fear that is evident. If Wikis are going to allow links, then they are going to need to allow links that relate to articles to stay in place. Mass deleting of links and accusations of spamming will turn people against Wikis fairly quickly. Many innocent people have been accussed of spamming Wikis and it hurts Wiki growth. If linking is problematic, turn this feature off. Otherwise, only delete off-topic links as spam.

I will not log in everyday here. If you leave me a note, please be patient for a response.

User talk:Sir Michael

2004-07-30T13:42:16Z

Sir Michael:

Hi Micheal,

External links are (almost) always treated as suspicious. What made me think your addition to [[Germany]] was link spam was that you made the edit while not logged in (perfectly acceptable but worrying re: external links). The fact that the page doesn't cover the SCA period also made me think it might be the work of a link spammer.

Sorry about my hasty removal, I try not to be overzealous but link spam tends to build up surprisingly fast if one isn't careful.

Anyway, welcome to Cunnan! I hope you stick around and keep up the excellent contributions.

[[User:Tobin|Tobin]] 23:20, 30 Jul 2004 (EST)

PS - You might like to edit [[User:Sir Michael]] your user page and tell us about yourself. Feel free to mention your personal website(s), etc on your user page.

: No problem. I am sorry I alarmed you. I gave this site a plug in my blog today (http://lorenzen.blogspot.com.) [[User:Sir Michael|Sir Michael]] 23:42, 30 Jul 2004 (EST)

Cunnan:Village pump

2004-07-30T12:22:49Z

Sir Michael: Copying from Wikipedia?

France

2004-07-30T12:19:59Z

Sir Michael: Another paragraph on history.

France as a medieval kingdom occupied much the same area as classical [[Gaul]], but having prospered under the [[Roman Empire|Pax Romana]] its people spoke [[Latin]], and having been invaded by the [[Franks]] its blood was no longer [[Celtic]].

The lands had become part of a great [[Carolingian Empire|empire]] under the rule of [[Charlemagne]], but after his death in 814 the empire was split into three parts and his son [[Charles the Bald]] took control of the western portion. Having had a father known as Charles the Magnificent, Charles the Bald tried to improve his epithet with an an attempt to reunite the empire. This failed. [[Charles the Fat]] had even more motivation but his attempt to reunite the empire also failed.

The Carolingian line eventually died out in the western kingdom, which was probably just as well given the number of bald and fat people it turned out. The leading nobles then elected a new king, [[Hugh Capet]] and thus the [[Capetian]] dynasty was born. France was by now a generally feudal kingdom, and the Capetians had to work long and hard at politics in order to build their authority. One of their most difficult land holders was [[Henry II]], King of [[England]]. As you can imagine, getting him to swear [[fealty]] was a difficult task.

The Capetian line was replaced by the [[Valois]] dynasty. Their hobbies included losing to the English at [[Battle of Agincourt|Agincourt]], not saving [[Joan of Arc]] from the English and slaughtering [[Protestant]]s on [[St Bartholemew's day]]. They were replaced by the [[Bourbon]]s in 1589, who were even worse and so the French gave up on monarchy all together in the late [[18th century|eighteenth century]].

France was one of the earliest countries to progress from feudalism to the nation-state. Its monarchs surrounded themselves with capable ministers, and French armies were among the most innovative, disciplined, and professional of their day.

== SCA in France ==

In the [[SCA]], France is part of the [[Kingdom of Drachenwald]]. There are not many SCA groups in France.

==External links==
* [http://www.drachenwald.sca.org/groups/france.htm Listing of French SCA groups]
* [http://www.historyofnations.net/europe/france.html History of France]

Germany

2004-07-30T12:17:30Z

Sir Michael: Added more on history. Readded link. See talk page.

'''Germany''' didn't exist as a single country during this [[period]]. After the fall of the Roman Empire, barbarian tribes over centuries slowly formed a large number of baronies and fiefdoms that warred with each other constantly. It was not until the 19th Century that Germany became a unified state.

Like [[France]], Germany counts [[Charlemagne]] as its great progenitor. Most of Germany formed part of the [[Carolingian Empire]]. When this was split into three parts the Germanic lands mostly went to [[Lothar]]. Lothar's Kingdom gradually became a patchwork of states who elected an Emperor. This union was known as the [[Holy Roman Empire]].

===Germany and the SCA===
After WWII, Germany contained many US/NATO military bases. With this eventually came the [[SCA]]. Much of the populace of the [[Kingdom of Drachenwald]] lives in Germany.

==External links==

*[http://www.drachenwald.sca.org/groups/germany.htm Listing of German SCA groups]
*[http://www.historyofnations.net/europe/germany.html History of Germany]

Talk:Germany

2004-07-30T12:10:28Z

Sir Michael:

The link that I just removed didn't come close to covering period German History (yes, I know it wasn't a single country during period). It may have been link spam - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] 08:17, 30 Jul 2004 (EST)

[[France]] had the same done to it. I'll roll that back too. [[User:Conrad Leviston|Conrad Leviston]] 09:52, 30 Jul 2004 (EST)

I think these were both legit edits. Please see my comments on your talk pages. [[User:Sir Michael|Sir Michael]] 14:12, 30 Jul 2004 (EST)

:This is a wiki for information on the years 600 - 1600. No such information was contained in the links. That is why we thought the links may have been somebody trying to increase the number of links to their own webpage. Given that you were genuine about your attempt to help I'd like to apologise for any offense give. In any case hard information rather than simple links are always preferred. Yes the country pages are a little light on here, but we have all sorts of information about other things (heraldry, textiles, troubadours etc.). [[User:Conrad Leviston|Conrad Leviston]] 15:18, 30 Jul 2004 (EST)

:My apologies for appearing to operate like a spammer. I'll try to update Germany and France again in a more productive way. If my new attempts look good to you, I'll work on some of the other pages. If I get deleted again, I'll go away. [[User:Sir Michael|Sir Michael]] 22:10, 30 Jul 2004 (EST)

Talk:Germany

2004-07-30T04:12:04Z

Sir Michael:

Talk:Germany

2004-07-30T04:11:16Z

Sir Michael:

User talk:Conrad Leviston

2004-07-30T03:58:14Z

Sir Michael:

<evil grin> Actually I did know the dragon was the natural enemy of the elephant. For the dragon is a serpent and the serpent did offer the fruit of the tree to eve. ;-)
Bet you didn't know 12th C dragons only had 2 legs though. :-)

Tiffany (just a little light bedtime reading :-) )

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The serpent offering the fruit, huh? I suppose all those tales of dragons capturing fair maidens makes sense in that context. Especially if you're one of those nutty religious types who believes that the fruit is a metaphor for sex. The maid is captured by the rapacious and then rescued by the chaste.

I'm still not sure how the elephant comes into it though.

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I think it's a red herring - actually a real observation of african snakes that could strangle large animals - a piece of factual information that slipped in by accident amoungst all that metaphor. I bet the early greek descriptions show dragons as just a large snake with no legs.

Tiff

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Good work on the [[Line divisions]] articles. - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] 21:30, 10 Jun 2004 (EST)

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Yep, I did all that while I was at work (a quiet night on the door can be very productive). It was actually really easy to draw up the images. [[User:Conrad Leviston|Conrad Leviston]] 22:24, 10 Jun 2004 (EST)

== Special Chars ==

I think the missing special chars are my fault (in fact I'm certain they are my fault). They are still in the database but the software is having some trouble understanding them.

I'll try to fix this on the weekend. - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] 01:34, 17 Jun 2004 (EST)
:Seems to be back in order now. Some pages changed since the problem started might still be messed up. - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] 12:36, 17 Jun 2004 (EST)

== Categories ==
Hi Conrad, I notice that there is a heraldry category AND a devices category. Shouldn't a lot of the pages you are editing go in the devices category or should that one be removed? - [[User:Cian|Cian Gillebhrath]] 11:01, 15 Jul 2004 (EST)

:I'm guessing devices should be removed [[User:Conrad Leviston|Conrad Leviston]] 11:11, 15 Jul 2004 (EST)

:On second thoughts maybe devices should be used for things like [[Arms of the Kingdom of Lochac]]. [[User:Conrad Leviston|Conrad Leviston]] 11:15, 15 Jul 2004 (EST)

:I think the pages relating to parts of devices should be in [[:Category:Device heraldry]] which should be a sub category of [[:Category:Heraldry]]. - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] 09:34, 18 Jul 2004 (EST)

::Sounds good. Is there a quick way of doing this? [[User:Conrad Leviston|Conrad Leviston]] 21:22, 18 Jul 2004 (EST)

:::Not really. Since I'm using a tabbed browser it's not uncomfortable for me to do it though. Leave it to me I'll get onto it. - [[User:Tobin|Tobin]] 10:08, 19 Jul 2004 (EST)
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Thank you for fixingf my image link on the [[pennanular]] page. I could not, for the life of me, get it to work right, and I tried 2 or 3 times.

[[User:Jauncourt|Lady Marguerie de Jauncourt]]
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Morning Conrad. What are you using as your main source for all this stuff on Troubadours? I'm collecting data on [[Ulrich von Liechtenstein|Sir Ulrich]] for the tourney, and I was wondering if you had something I should be aware of. - [[User:Cian|Cian Gillebhrath]] 11:15, 29 Jul 2004 (EST)

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Hi, I am a librarian at Central Michigan University and I added links to several of your pages dealing with national histories (see France and Germany). I was amused by the comical history attempts on the prior pages and thought I would add a link to better the histories. I was quite mystified to see these labelled as possible link spam. :]

I was going to blog Cunnan at my information literacy blog (lorenzen.blogspot.com) pointing out how outsiders can improve flawed history sites but if you think I am spam...

I appreciate your link vigillance. Could you let me know how you determine real link adds from spam? (Note what you reply may be used on my blog.)

Thanks,

Best wishes,

Michael Lorenzen

User talk:Tobin

2004-07-30T03:56:14Z

Sir Michael:

I'm the Ursulan Chron. A pathological tendency to correct spelling mistakes keeps me around... [[User:Morgant|Morgant]] 11:46 9 Jul 2003 (EST)

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Tobin,

Please stop removing my personal attributions. If I wrote it, I want it to be identified as mine, so if someone has a problem they can talk to me about it.

I dont want to hide behind anonymity, especially for my views on stuff like "The Renaissence never happened".

I dont mind it being edited, or even amended, but for scholarship to work you have to be able to stand behind your work.

Make me upset about this, and I'll find that quote from St Jerome about proper attribution *grin*

Anton

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Tobin,

On the page [[Humanists]] I have added a section about SCA personas being humanists. It contains a bullet point beginning with the words " You can quote several Greek texts ...". Down the bottom someone's added a comment "Specific names to drop could be ...". Can you take that comment and do your HTML trick to make it a side-note to the bullet point above about greek texts? I'd do it myself but now I can't remember where you explained how to do it and my HTML skills are fairly rough.

I want to make some more "Your SCA Persona is a ..." bits on various other pages too but I'll get this one right first.

Thanx,

[[User:Del|Del]]

===Hello from a Wikipedian===
Hi Tobin -- I noticed the article on [[Cunnan]] at Wikipedia, and dropped by to check it out. '''Very cool!''' I also noticed the authorship discussion. In case you aren't already aware of it, there are a lot of good resources at [http://meta.wikipedia.org Meta Wikipedia] and at [http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?WhyWikiWorks Meatball Wiki]. Good luck! [http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bcorr Wikipedia:User:Bcorr] [[User:64.91.162.225|64.91.162.225]] 04:51, 25 Dec 2003 (EST)

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Checking changes.

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So, any idea what the story with symbols is? I tried to move the Æthelmearc page to the right spot and it said it couldn't submit the form. And you will have noticed that your recipe pages are a mess too. Also, your change of the name Æthelmearc on the Kingdom page made no difference to me. I'm not sure if thie is a viewer specific thing. Oh, and get some sleep!

[[User:Conrad Leviston|Conrad Leviston]] 23:22, 16 Jun 2004 (EST)

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Tobin, I have noticed that the [[List Keeper]] link redirects to [[List keeper]] which wants to redirect to [[Lists Officer]], but doesn't. Is this to be expected? -- [[User:Cian|Cian Gillebhrath]] 13:26, 17 Jun 2004 (EST)
ps. the Aethelmearc above still looks funky to me, but not correct.

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Hi, I am a librarian at Central Michigan University and I added links to several of your pages dealing with national histories (see France and Germany). I was amused by the comical history attempts on the prior pages and thought I would add a link to better the histories. I was quite mystified to see these labelled as possible link spam. :]

I was going to blog Cunnan at my information literacy blog (lorenzen.blogspot.com) pointing out how outsiders can improve flawed history sites but if you think I am spam...

I appreciate your link vigillance. Could you let me know how you determine real link adds from spam? (Note what you reply may be used on my blog.)

Thanks,

Best wishes,

Michael Lorenzen

France

2004-07-26T21:00:36Z

Sir Michael:

France as a medieval kingdom occupied much the same area as classical [[Gaul]], but having prospered under the [[Roman Empire|Pax Romana]] its people spoke [[Latin]], and having been invaded by the [[Franks]] its blood was no longer [[Celtic]].

The lands had become part of a great [[Carolingian Empire|empire]] under the rule of [[Charlemagne]], but after his death in 814 the empire was split into three parts and his son [[Charles the Bald]] took control of the western portion. Having had a father known as Charles the Magnificent, Charles the Bald tried to improve his epithet with an an attempt to reunite the empire. This failed. [[Charles the Fat]] had even more motivation but his attempt to reunite the empire also failed.

The Carolingian line eventually died out in the western kingdom, which was probably just as well given the number of bald and fat people it turned out. The leading nobles then elected a new king, [[Hugh Capet]] and thus the [[Capetian]] dynasty was born. France was by now a generally feudal kingdom, and the Capetians had to work long and hard at politics in order to build their authority. One of their most difficult land holders was [[Henry II]], King of [[England]]. As you can imagine, getting him to swear [[fealty]] was a difficult task.

The Capetian line was replaced by the [[Valois]] dynasty. Their hobbies included losing to the English at [[Battle of Agincourt|Agincourt]], not saving [[Joan of Arc]] from the English and slaughtering [[Protestant]]s on [[St Bartholemew's day]]. They were replaced by the [[Bourbon]]s in 1589, who were even worse and so the French gave up on monarchy all together in the late [[18th century|eighteenth century]].

== SCA in France ==

In the [[SCA]], France is part of the [[Kingdom of Drachenwald]]. There are not many SCA groups in France.

* [http://www.drachenwald.sca.org/groups/france.htm Listing of French SCA groups]
* [http://www.historyofnations.net/europe/france.html History of France]